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February 6, 2014 at 9:59 pm #183479
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May 12, 2014 at 5:01 pm #568559
NYCaccountantParticipantYou should be fine then. I'm not an auditor, so I have no clue on the types of engagements, reports,ect. I'm just going to learn this stuff. I have experience running an audit, but from the client side, which we know is different than the Auditing firm side, so that's I understand some of the terms. I also took REG, which has accountant responsiibilities, SEC reporting terms in there, Sarbanes Oxley in there, so that helped for chapter one.
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AUD - 99!!!!!! CPA exam complete.May 12, 2014 at 5:17 pm #568560
GabeParticipant@Nyc awesome! Looking at your scores, I think you'll be fine
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CISA- Experience will be completed by August 2016May 12, 2014 at 7:33 pm #568561
QladMemberAs a result of tests of controls, an auditor assessed control risk too low and decreased substantive testing. This assessment occurred because the true deviation rate in the population was:
a.More than the deviation rate in the auditor's sample.
b.Less than the deviation rate in the auditor's sample.
c.Less than the risk of assessing control risk too low, based on the auditor's sample.
d.More than the risk of assessing control risk too low, based on the auditor's sample.
how to solve this question …i am all confused in audit sampling..
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BEC 76 ๐May 12, 2014 at 7:39 pm #568562
YORKERMemberIS THE ANSWER A?
May 12, 2014 at 7:45 pm #568563
GabeParticipant@Qlad, ok so you go in and talk to the client about their controls. They say, oh yes! We make sure there are two signatures on every check. You believe them, they wouldn't lie right? So, you decrease your testing because you think there will be fewer (let's say 3) deviations.
However, you look at a few checks and realize out of the 20 tested only 5 have the appropriate signatures! So, instead of 3 errors there are actually 15! Therefore, the actual deviation rate is MORE than the deviation rate in the auditor's sample….or answer A.
Does that help?
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CISA- Experience will be completed by August 2016May 12, 2014 at 9:11 pm #568564
GabeParticipantAny ideas? Why A is the answer?
clientโs procurement system ends with the assumption of a liability and the eventual payment of the liability. Which of the following best describes the auditorโs primary concern with respect to liabilities resulting from the procurement system?
A. Accounts payable are not materially understated.
B. Authority to incur liabilities is restricted to one designated person.
C. Acquisition of materials is not made from one vendor or one group of vendors.
D. Commitments for all purchases are made only after established competitive bidding procedures are followed.
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CISA- Experience will be completed by August 2016May 12, 2014 at 9:16 pm #568565
QladMemberthanks gabequinn n yorker
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AUD 64,71, 72, 75 ๐ I'm done !!!
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BEC 76 ๐May 12, 2014 at 9:33 pm #568566
NYCaccountantParticipantI'm guessing that when you put a purchase order through procurement, you don't actually owe the money yet, but you'll have a liability on your books and AP would be overstated if anything. The procurement process would create a liability, but the vendor did not perform the service yet, so the liability would be wrong. If you pay the invoice from the vendor, if anything, this would create a prepaid asset.
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AUD - 99!!!!!! CPA exam complete.May 12, 2014 at 10:11 pm #568567
YORKERMemberIn my opinion this question is to vague but the best answer is the understatement of liabilities because that is always the primary concern when it comes to liabilities and expenses.
May 13, 2014 at 1:52 am #568568
thehip41Participant@ GABE They are inverse. If you lower the amount of testing done, it increases the chances of material mistatements not being caught. If you increase the amount of testing done, it lowers the chances of misstatements.
GABE part 2. The most important thing as an auditor when auditing the financials is to look for misstatements (or eliminate them, etc) That accounts payable question, you just have to memorize. The most important thing regarding Accounts Payable is making sure the company doesn't understate liabilities. There are several tests to look for understatements. One being where the auditor looks for payemtns made to vendors after year end, but those invoices weren't recorded.
@Qlad Isnt auditing fun? The answer is A. When you assess the control risk too low, you are relying on the controls, even though you shouldn't. So you decrease testing. This is bad because it is a beta risk. It's the effectiveness of the audit. What does the phrase “assessing control risk too low” even mean?
So you have 1000 total items in a population, and there are 100 errors. Your sample contains 200 of the items. You would expect 20 of the items selected to contain errors (on average). However, in your sample, only 7 were errors. Lets say your tolerable rate was 13. So based on your sample, you are satisfied the controls are working (to stop misstatements). However, the true nature of the control is that is sucks. You are incorrectly assessing control risk here.
If you assess control risk too high, you won't miss any misstatements, but you will not be efficient.
Say the sample you selected had 38 errors, but it should only have 20. If 25 was the tolerable amount, you would incorrectly deduce the control isn't working, when it is.
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May 13, 2014 at 2:32 am #568569
GabeParticipantThanks everyone! I'll be here tomorrow with questions and answers!
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CISA- Experience will be completed by August 2016May 13, 2014 at 3:06 am #568570
QladMemberMay 13, 2014 at 3:23 am #568571
QladMemberalready got into confusion before going to sleep….cud someone please explain with an example why Lower risk of incorrect Acceptance requires Larger sample size…thanks
FAR 72,71,81 ๐
AUD 64,71, 72, 75 ๐ I'm done !!!
REG 73, 74, 74, 84 ๐
BEC 76 ๐May 13, 2014 at 3:39 am #568572
thehip41ParticipantQlad, this is my second time through AUD and that is the single most confusing thing to me.
Some questions ask “an auditor requires a lower risk of incorrect acceptance”…. This means he needs a larger sample size. (it's inverse)
However, if the auditor DETERMINES that risk of incorrect acceptance is low, he can have a smaller sample size because the risk itself is low.
So you want the risk to be lower, you need a bigger sample (or more tests)
If the risk IS low, you can have a lower sample size (or run less tests)
I still get those MC wrong though.
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AUD - 73 92
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May 13, 2014 at 12:36 pm #568573
GabeParticipantI agree Qlad! I am an auditor and some of the sampling relationships confuse me. I think the best approach is to memorize the relationships, some of them are easier than others, but in the end it'll pay off.
Also…don't know if this will help but if I am REQUIRED to have a lower risk of acceptance, I would need a larger sample size because I would want to be really sure that my work reflected a good portion of the population. However, if I do some other work and ASSESS a lower risk of acceptance, my sample size can be smaller because I've already done some work on it. Does that make sense?/help?
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