AUD Study Group Q1 2015 - Page 67

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  • #650787
    Anonymous
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    I took Audit on Feb 14th and next week can not get here fast enough. I feel like I did well but that really scares me and I am wondering if maybe the questions just tricked me. Auditing is a tricky test and you have to be careful with every word of the question and some of the answers. Good luck on your test willpassby2014.

    #650788
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @dpadgett – Best wishes, the wait is terrible.

    #650789
    swilk
    Member

    @harris016 in reply to your question included in quotes below….

    I believe you have a solid understanding of the various assertions covered in this problem (completeness, cutoff, existence), and the topic can be quite confusing. The key phrase to focus on in the question is “most appropriate”. The assertions of completeness and cutoff are very closely related, and that specific procedure seems most appropriate because as the explanation states, “cutoff procedures provide assurance that goods in transit are appropriately included or excluded from inventory (inventory is complete). Since inventory is a balance sheet item, the auditor is generally most concerned about the ending balance, and that answer, to me, appears most appropriate to ensure completeness of the ending balance. To ensure completeness, an auditor would:

    Trace inventory counts TO accounting records (the act of TRACING, do not confuse with VOUCHING)

    TRACING – tests the assertion of COMPLETENESS. It requires going from SOURCE to BOOKS.

    VOUCHING – tests the assertion of EXISTENCE OR OCCURRENCE. It requires going from BOOKS to SOURCE.

    Answer (d):

    Tracing inventory items from the tag listing back to the physical inventory quantities.

    Is the act of vouching, as the tag listing (the accounting records/books) is being tied back to the physical inventory quantities (the source).

    It also doesn't help that the questions mentions tracing in answer d, when in fact the answer is the act of vouching, which by its nature deals with tracing, but from books to source.

    Not sure if I make complete sense, or if I'm just coming across as a ramblin' man. In any case try to remember:

    TRACING – Source


    > Books/Accounting Records – COMPLETENESS

    VOUCHING – Books/Accounting Records


    > Source – EXISTENCE/OCCURRENCE

    Hope this helps.

    AUD - 90 (2.26.2015)
    BEC - 76 (5.4.2015)
    REG - 79 (8.31.2015)
    FAR - 76 (2.22.2016)

    Roger and Ninja MCQ FTW.

    #650790
    oceansister
    Member

    Thank you for taking your time and explaining it in such detail, it definitely helped me to understand some more tracing vs. vouching.

    #650791
    Anonymous
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    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Which of the following statements is correct concerning an auditor's assessment of control risk?

    A. Assessing control risk may be performed concurrently during an audit with obtaining an understanding of the entity's internal control.

    B. Evidence about the operation of control activities in prior audits may not be considered during the current year's assessment of control risk.

    C. The basis for an auditor's conclusions about the assessed level of control need not be documented unless control risk is assessed at the maximum level.

    D. The lower the assessed level of control risk, the less assurance the evidence must provide that the control activities are operating effectively.

    _____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    The correct answer is A.

    The auditor may obtain audit evidence about the effectiveness of both the design and operation of control activities that supports a lower assessed level of control risk for some assertions. Such audit evidence may be obtained from tests of controls planned and performed concurrently with obtaining the understanding or from procedures performed to obtain the understanding that were not specifically planned as tests of controls.

    Although some risk assessment procedures that the auditor performs to evaluate the design of controls and to determine that they have been implemented may not have been specifically designed as tests of controls, they may nevertheless provide audit evidence about the operating effectiveness of the controls and, consequently, serve as tests of controls.

    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    So what's the deal with D?

    Also, see this thread for a similar question.

    https://www.another71.com/cpa-exam-forum/topic/aud-what-does-this-mean

    #650792
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    D is stating the opposite of what is true. The lower the level of control risk, more assurance from the evidence is required to provide that the control activities are operating effectively. The lower the level of control risk the more reliance is put on the effectiveness of the control and therefore the evidence must provide that the controls are operating effectively.

    #650793
    NoraU
    Member

    I think there is no correlation between level of control risk and evidence of control activities. You assess the level of control risk and test to make sure your assessment is correct. The extent of substantive tests does depend on control risk level – the lower the control risk less substantive test is required.

    BEC 05/12/14 77
    REG 08/25/14 82
    FAR 11/25/14 80
    AUD 02/25/15 72, 05/15/15 98! DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #650794
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thanks guys, @CTM I for some reason had that completely backwards in my head. But it makes sense when I think that if control risk is assessed at the maximum than no tests of controls would be applied.

    In the link I provided the poster had a question in which D was a correct answer though…

    #650795
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I don't understand that. It isn't correct. A lower level of control risk requires more assurance that the control procedures are operating effectively

    #650796
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    One week to AUD. Let the exam anxiety commence. Good-bye sleep, hello nightmares about control risk and cold sweats. Oh how I love this process.

    #650797
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @CTM – you seem well prepared. I'm taking my exam on the 27th, I think I have 250ish Ninja MCQ that I have not seen and I have worked all MCQ and SIMs in Becker. I'm going to knock out these last Ninja MCQ and then read through my trouble areas to try and grasp a better understanding and probably review some SIMS.

    How do you plan to use your last days?

    #650798
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I've finished all of the Becker material and gone back through all my trouble spots. Still a little weak with transaction cycles but I think I understand enough. I've only done about 300 Ninja MCQ's so now I'm just going to knock all of those out. I should hit at least 1,200 there by the time I'm finished. Hopefully we can both put this one behind us on the 27th.

    #650799
    Martin
    Participant

    What are you guys doing for this last 7 to 8 days, any reading or just MC until the exam?

    Through God all things can happen!

    “You never fail until you stop trying.”
    ― Albert Einstein
    When I was young, I used to admire intelligent people;as I grow older, I admire kind people.
    “Just keep swimming, just keep swimming.”

    FAR= 72-84
    Audit= 73-82
    BEC= 74-75
    Reg=77

    #650800
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @Real Madrid – I'm going to be doing some reading over some of my weaker areas – strictly for comfort. I will probably alternate reading with comprehensive progress tests and selective question sections over weak areas.

    #650801
    Martin
    Participant

    ARCPA2B and CTM, have you guys taken the famous becker final exams yet? If so, how did you guys do?

    Through God all things can happen!

    “You never fail until you stop trying.”
    ― Albert Einstein
    When I was young, I used to admire intelligent people;as I grow older, I admire kind people.
    “Just keep swimming, just keep swimming.”

    FAR= 72-84
    Audit= 73-82
    BEC= 74-75
    Reg=77

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