AUD Study Group Q1 2015 - Page 63

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  • #650727
    mariam almas
    Participant

    guys pls try to post some tricky question, its only two weeks left………….

    AUD: 81 (Done)
    REG: Currently studying
    FAR: TBD
    BEC: TBD

    NH

    #650728
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @mariam – Here's one I just picked up in Ninja through personal observations…

    Risk assessment procedures include…

    – inquiries of management and others within the entity

    – analytical procedures

    – observation

    – inspection.

    Tests of controls which include…

    – inquiry

    – reperformance (reperformance has been presented differently in MCQ, something along the lines of tracing documents throught the system, so understand the meaning of the options)

    – observation

    – inspection

    This might not seem confusing to others but if not reading the question cautiously I can see where this could be mixed up fairly easily.

    #650729
    mariam almas
    Participant

    @ARCPA2B thank u soo much ^_^

    AUD: 81 (Done)
    REG: Currently studying
    FAR: TBD
    BEC: TBD

    NH

    #650730
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    An internal auditor's work would most likely affect the nature, timing, and extent of an independent CPA's auditing procedures when the internal auditor's work relates to assertions about the:

    A. existence of contingencies.

    B. valuation of intangible assets.

    C. existence of fixed asset additions.

    D. valuation of related party transactions.

    If someone could give an answer to this question with a good explanation I would be very thankful. I will post the answer and explanation in a bit, however I don't really get this one.

    #650731
    Ninja Juice
    Participant
    #650732
    LKD CPA
    Member

    ARCPA – I would say C – existence of fixed assets. The only reason I believe it's C is because it is the only odd one out. Contingencies, intangible assets, and related party transactions are all based on estimations and management decision. The existence of fixed assets however are concrete. The auditor/internal auditor can verify they exist because they can physically see them.

    FAR: 74, 83
    REG: 76
    BEC: 77
    AUD: 89

    #650733
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @LKD – C is correct.

    Per the following explanation…

    An internal auditor's work may affect the nature, timing, and extent of an independent auditor. AU-C 610.22 states:

    In making judgments about the extent of the effect of the internal auditors' work on the auditors' procedures, the auditor considers:

    • the materiality of the financial statement amounts—that is, account balances or classes of transaction.

    • the risk (consisting of inherent risk and control risk) of material misstatements of the assertions related to these financial statement amounts.

    • the degree of subjectivity involved in the evaluation of the audit evidence gathered in support of the assertions.

    Of the responses listed, fixed assets represent a class of assets and transactions that would have the least degree of subjectivity involved in the evaluation of the audit evidence gathered in support of the assertions.

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    With that being said, I do understand the fact that fixed assets is the option that is the least subjective. However, when I read the explanation I would think that the choice that has the “most subjectivity” would have the “most likely effect” on the nature, timing and extent on the procedures.

    What am I missing?

    #650734
    LKD CPA
    Member

    ARCPA – If you were an outside auditor would you want to rely on an internal auditor (no matter how objective and competent they may be) to make determinations regarding highly subjective areas? If it were me, I would want the internal auditor to do the more black and white areas, allowing me to focus on the higher risk, subjective areas. Does that make sense?

    FAR: 74, 83
    REG: 76
    BEC: 77
    AUD: 89

    #650735
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Fixed asset additions would be the most likely to affect the NET because the external auditor is most likely to use the internal auditor's testing regarding this area. The external auditor does not want to rely on the internal auditor on anything that requires estimates and judgments. Hence the reason the external auditor would not change the NET of procedures on the other three areas: contingencies, valuation of intangibles and related party transactions.

    #650736
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @LKD and CTM – Thanks, that finally clicked for me. I could not wrap my head around the wording of that for some reason.

    #650737
    hudnetj
    Member

    im doing the ninja MCQ and getting the same questions over and over and over again… anyone else?

    BEC - 76
    REG - 76
    FAR - 77
    AUD - 63, 89

    DONE!!

    CPA 3/15

    #650738
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Here's a semi-tricky one…

    Obtaining and understanding internal controls involves which of the following?

    I. Understanding controls that exist in the audited company's industry

    II. Evaluating the design of a control within the audited company

    III. Determining if a control has been implemented within the audited company

    A. I & II

    B. II & III

    C. I & III

    D. I, II & III

    #650739
    hudnetj
    Member

    kinda wanna say A?

    BEC - 76
    REG - 76
    FAR - 77
    AUD - 63, 89

    DONE!!

    CPA 3/15

    #650740
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I originally went with D… After reading the question twice the end of the first option “… in the audited company's industry” stuck out and I caught the trick.

    However, the correct answer is B.

    Obtaining an understanding of internal control involves evaluating the design of a control and determining whether it has been implemented.

    • Evaluating the design of a control involves considering whether the control, individually or in combination with other controls, is capable of effectively preventing or detecting and correcting material misstatements. The auditor should consider the design of a control in determining whether to consider its implementation. An improperly designed control may represent a material weakness in the entity's internal control and the auditor should consider whether to communicate this to those charged with governance and management.

    • Implementation of a control means that the control exists and that the entity is using it.

    #650741
    mariam almas
    Participant

    @ARCPA2B such a helpful explanation, thnx and keep posting please

    AUD: 81 (Done)
    REG: Currently studying
    FAR: TBD
    BEC: TBD

    NH

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