AUD Study Group Q1 2015 - Page 13

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  • #649968
    howmany74s
    Member

    @anjanja,

    Everyone has minutes. Auditors have to read the minutes each quarter, year end and subsequently, make summary notes and keep in the audit file.

    Your RMM question: The purpose of equation is to keep 1 item ‘fixed' at all times. Your question says ‘to keep the audit risk at same level', right? So the options are moving the equation elements up and down and asking you what to do to keep audit risk at the same point.

    If RMM goes up, wonderful. You can't change that, something made it go up => Either the entity is in a risky environment or the Controller is a moron (inherent risk) or your control environment was designed by a toddler (control risk).

    The question doesn't tell you which one kicked the RMM up, correct? If you increase your inherent risk, or assume inherent risk should go up as well as RMM, then your AR will go up as well. You don't want that.

    Unless the question asks you to fix the problematic risk, you always attack the other item in the equation. RMM went up? Let's work on more effective substantive testing techniques so DR will go down. DR went up? We need to test OE of controls, and do it well to decrease CR.

    Evidence question:

    Persuasive evidence = Evidence that satisfies the explanation you received from a client.

    Conclusive evidence = Evidence that satisfies auditor's conclusion at the assertion level.

    Edit based on your DR vs. RMM note;

    DR is independent from RMM. RMM is based upon IR and CR, both of which exist independent of your audit/auditor. DR is based on the audit, hence has an inverse relationship with RMM.

    #649969
    jstay
    Participant

    I thought you said C was incorrect….I keep getting this one wrong. How come “the higher the risk of material misstatement, the higher the inherent risk” is incorrect?


    This was C

    isn't RMM = CR x IR? How is it not directly related to DR?

    #649970
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    But wouldn't the increase in IR also change auditor's plan?

    #649971
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    No, C was the correct answer, I just don't understand why. All answers look correct to me

    #649972
    jstay
    Participant

    ohhhh, yeah I probably would have guessed C but I thought you said it was incorrect so I went with A. RMM is made up of two things..IR & CR. If RMM is high, then IR (inherent risk) must also be high

    #649973
    jstay
    Participant

    B had the word “must” so I kind of eliminated that, D didn't seem right. and I though C was incorrect so my guess was A but reading through the first time I would have clicked C

    #649974
    howmany74s
    Member

    AR = RMM x DR

    RMM = CR x IR

    AR = 10

    RMM =2

    DR =5

    New scenario:

    RMM = 1

    AR needs to stay at 10

    DR =?

    DR =10

    What happened?

    RMM went down, DR went up. Inverse relationship.

    Real life:

    There won't be numbers.

    #649975
    howmany74s
    Member

    And no where in the question it is said that inherent risk increased, therefore rmm increased. I keep reading speculations around this fact, hence C should be correct. As you can see from the equation, CR has equal chance of increasing RMM.

    RMM is the outcome. IR or CR moves it up or down. If it moved up, something already increased. You can't increase a component of RMM ‘again' (see answer – c, that's the suggestion) and expect to stabilize AR.

    #649976
    jstay
    Participant

    so essentially you saying C is correct because if inherent risk went up, rmm went up…which would alter the audit risk–which the question specifically stated not to change?

    #649977
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thanks howmany74s I understand how DR changes with RMM decreasing and increasing, that's not a problem. I guess I see now that the question is asking something different than I first thought. It took me an hours to see, that's just great. RTMFQ all over again

    #649978
    jstay
    Participant

    yeah anjanja, im with ya…I read it wrong too =/

    when are you taking, do you know?

    #649979
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    jstay,

    in this question you should choose one statement that's wrong. Auditor's plan relates to the level of DR and RMM. Answer C has nothing to do with auditor's plan, it's just illustrating the relationship between RMM and IR. I was just confused by the explanation provided because IR is in fact directly related to DR in my opinion

    #649980
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I scheduled for 14th, I can't deal with this anymore and I am terrified by the possibility of FAR eventually expiring

    #649981
    jstay
    Participant

    im going to schedule around then too. thinking probably 1/12 but yeah im nervous too! I passed FAR in august and am petrified of it expiring. I have 2 exams left going into 2015 which gives me 5 chances at each before FAR expires. im guessing yours expires 3/15/2016—or really 2/28?

    #649982
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I think my FAR expires in sept 2016. And there is also REG I know NOTHING about. Taxation class I once took was a joke, so no expectations there. Will probably take another 4 months to study again

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