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May 23, 2013 at 7:53 pm #177709
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June 27, 2013 at 3:02 pm #437771
10keyLeahMemberI keep getting confused about going concern issues and which type of report to use.
If there is a going concern issue and it is adequately disclosed, then is an unmodified opinion with an emphasis-of-matter paragraph the way to report?
If the going concern issue is disclosed, but there's still doubt, then it would be a disclaimer?
Also, if there is no disclosure, it would be a GAAP departure and therefore an adverse opinion? Can it also be a qualified in this situation? Wiley TB says you cannot report ‘qualified' if there has been adequate disclosure, but can it be qualified or adverse if there's no disclosure?
I can't keep this straight for some reason.
Ninja Combo, Yaeger, Wiley -- Licensed CPA, May 2015
June 27, 2013 at 3:43 pm #437772
ZaqParticipant1.) Yes. Going Concern is one of the several matters that allow a modified Unqualified Opinion.
2.) Maybe. An auditor has the CHOICE to disclaim an opinion if there is a going concern, but if the going concern is properly disclosed then it can still be a modified Unqualified Opinion. The key here is to remember that the auditor is mostly concerned about appropriate disclosure. And that even if it is appropriately disclosed, an auditor can just be like, “Screw this,” and disclaim anyway.
3.) Correct. A lack of disclosure goes against GAAP requirements so an Adverse Opinion is acceptable. Can it be Qualified? That’s a good question; I’m not 100% sure if materiality plays a part of the lack of disclosure of going concern. I’d have to look into the textbook later to confirm this, but I BELIEVE it does and should allow a Qualified OP (GAAP). For example, if there is “some” disclosure, but not enough to be sufficient and appropriate vs. no disclosure at all.
You seem to understand the topic pretty well!
FAR: 50, 76!
REG: 74... (ouch baby, very ouch), 76!
AUD: 65, 91!?
BEC: 80! Aaaand doneskies!May 2012 to August 2013. Can't believe it's over.
June 27, 2013 at 5:47 pm #437773
10keyLeahMember@infernoomni – thank you for the clarification. I thought I understood, but then I get asked a MCQ on it and I have trouble keeping it straight. It sounds like a big part is just realizing whether it is a scope limitation or a GAAP departure.
Ninja Combo, Yaeger, Wiley -- Licensed CPA, May 2015
June 27, 2013 at 6:09 pm #437774
ZaqParticipantFunny enough, I just had the same Wiley MCQ question that you were talking about while studying during lunch. Lol.
But yeah, definitely separate inadequate disclosure (GAAP) with scope limitations (GAAS). And remember that you can always give a Disclaimer (if you want) even if you get adequate disclosure.
FAR: 50, 76!
REG: 74... (ouch baby, very ouch), 76!
AUD: 65, 91!?
BEC: 80! Aaaand doneskies!May 2012 to August 2013. Can't believe it's over.
June 27, 2013 at 6:31 pm #437775
KenadaMemberHiya.
For going concern its either Unmodified with Emphasis of a matter if fully disclosed and it is not an extreme situation where you do not know what the future is for the company.
Now if it a extreme case and things are really bad at the company that is when you do a disclaimer since you can't give an “opinion”
I remember that you don't do an adverse opinion if you do not agree. There are only two options. Unmodified with EM or Disclaimer.
FAR 05/27/14; 786/110 - Done !
June 27, 2013 at 6:41 pm #437776
ZaqParticipant“If the auditor concludes that the entity's disclosures with respect to the entity's ability to continue as a going concern for a reasonable period of time are inadequate, a departure from generally accepted accounting principles exists. This may result in either a qualified (except for) or an adverse opinion. Reporting guidance for such situations is provided in section 508, Reports on Audited Financial Statements.”
That's the reference I just checked from Wikipedia.
Also, it seems to address the question as to if a Qualified Opinion can be issued.
So now I'm confused.
FAR: 50, 76!
REG: 74... (ouch baby, very ouch), 76!
AUD: 65, 91!?
BEC: 80! Aaaand doneskies!May 2012 to August 2013. Can't believe it's over.
June 27, 2013 at 7:36 pm #437777
KenadaMemberOh dear… i am following what the book states and i have noticed that MCQ's do follow what i understand.
For Going Concern
1. Unmodified with Emphasis – if all properly disclosed
2. Qualified with Basis of Opinion – if not properly disclosed
3. Disclaim if so extreme that prevents auditor from getting sufficient evidence.
I am going to email RogerCPA and ask him but the book clearly states what i said above.
If you are talking about Uncertainty that is not a Going concern then it is slightly different.
I believe
1. Unmodified and you don;t have to put Emphasis if you don't want to.
2. Qualified with basis of Opinion
3. Disclaim if extreme case of scope limit.
FAR 05/27/14; 786/110 - Done !
June 27, 2013 at 8:40 pm #437778
KenadaMemberDear All, Please see below the response
Question from the Student…..
The solution says that an qualified opinion or adverse would not be appropriate for substantial doubts as a going concern, and that only a unqualified opinion with an explanatory paragraph or a disclaimer is appropriate. However, in the rogers book, it specifically says that if we have substantial doubts as a going concern and there is not adequate disclosure, we should issue an qualified opinion with an explanatory paragraph. So which is correct? Thank you.
Response from CPA review provider.
Hello
Wiley AUD Mod 5 Q 27 requires you to determine the auditor’s responsibility when s/he concludes that there is SUBSTANTIAL DOUBT about an entity’s ability to continue as a going concern for a REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME.
SAS No. 59 requires the auditor to evaluate whether there is substantial doubt about the company’s ability to continue as a going concern for a reasonable period of time, not to exceed one year beyond the date of the financial statements being audited. If the auditor has substantial doubt about the entity’s ability to continue in existence for that length of time, the auditor should add an explanatory paragraph highlighting the client’s disclosure of the going concern uncertainty to the standard UNQUALIFIED report.
If there is “substantial doubt” concerning the company's ability to continue as a going concern, AND DISCLOSURE IS ADEQUATE, either a disclaimer of opinion or an unqualified opinion with an explanatory paragraph is acceptable.
If a client has not properly disclosed a “material” going concern doubt, this will be considered inadequate disclosure, a form of GAAP departure, and will require at least a qualified opinion, with an explanatory paragraph BEFORE the opinion paragraph instead of after. As in any case where a client refuses to disclose a material matter with respect to GAAP, the auditor may chose to disclaim an opinion or withdraw from the engagement.
I hope this answers your question.
FAR 05/27/14; 786/110 - Done !
June 27, 2013 at 10:42 pm #437779
IkileMemberSo basically any type of report is possible due to going concern issue, even adverse, right??
>Unmodified w/emphases paragraph
>Qualified or adverse if inadequate disclosure which is a GAAP issue
>Disclaimer if scope issue or if so chosen by the auditor even when properly disclosed (in lieu of Unmodified w/emphases paragraph)
I'm still not 100% sure about all this. Ugh
June 27, 2013 at 10:59 pm #437780
jackaroeParticipantJune 27, 2013 at 11:54 pm #437781
AnonymousInactiveHi all,
I've been reading the forum for a while now, but this is my first post.
I'm taking AUD on July 8th. My first one and I'm freaked out!
I'm using Roger, Wiley test bank and Ninja notes and audio.
Good luck to all!
Daniela
June 28, 2013 at 12:05 am #437782
tessablkwdMember@Ikile I think you're right about the going concern, as long as you remember that the opinion can be qualified of adverse because of the inappropriate DISCLOSURE, not because of the going concern itself. It sounds like you have it straight! Good luck!
AUD: 71, 87
BEC: 85
FAR: 80
REG: 12/6/13June 28, 2013 at 2:27 am #437783
gchanturMember@10key
How has it been going with AUD after passing FAR? I am finishing my last chapter for the first round and have been averaging 61-62%, what about you? I hope we do well on this one…
Good luck!
FAR - May 16th --- 83
AUD - August 2nd --- 81
BEC - December 2d --- 76
REG - February 10th---77
Ethics - February 23rd - 98June 28, 2013 at 3:22 am #437784
AnonymousInactiveNow I am confused, back to my question, you guys talking about covered members. But, in the question, CPAs firm doesnt provide any attestation services to that public company, they just serve as a member of the board of director, so why would they have to be independent? because I remember independence is required only for attest services?
June 28, 2013 at 5:23 am #437785
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