REG Study Group Q1 2015 - Page 152

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  • #653320
    BEACPA
    Participant

    @Pass,

    I understand why you're inclined to calculate it the way you did, however, it's for gain “realized” not recognized. So, when calculating gain realized for a C corporation you will subtract the adjusted basis from the FMV. Just a heed of caution, this rule is entirely different for gains “realized” under the “like-kind exchange” method. Under the like-kind exchange method, your calculation for gains “realized” would be correct (i.e., adding boot received which is the same as cancellation of debt).

    @NJ can explain this better then I can. I've learned a lot from NJ.

    I hope this helps!

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    #653321
    PasstheCPA7
    Participant

    Thanks!!

    #653322
    Gabe
    Participant

    An individual taxpayer reports the following items for the current year:

    Ordinary income from partnership A, operating a movie theater in which the taxpayer materially participates $70,000

    Net loss from partnership B, operating an equipment rental business in which the taxpayer does not materially participate (9,000)

    Rental income from building rented to a third party 7,000

    Short-term capital gain from sale of stock 4,000

    What is the taxpayer's adjusted gross income for the year?

    A. $70,000

    B. $72,000

    C. $74,000

    D. $77,000

    Answer is C (70+4). I understand only passive losses can offset passive income, but where is it reported (since it does not have an effect on AGI).

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    #653323
    NJPRU
    Member

    @Gabe – what's happening here is that all of the items are being added back in retrospect.

    70,000 ordinary income

    + 4,000 capital gain

    + 0 (net of passive activity movement 9,000 net loss – 7,000 rental income = 2,000 carried forward idenfinitely until used)

    = 74,000

    In summary, it is being reported together with the other line items but only to the extent of the rental income.

    Does that help?

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    BEC: DONE
    REG: DONE

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    #653324
    NJPRU
    Member

    @BEACPA – I think you explained it quite well to be honest! Just remember also, these are the types of rules that examiners like to test – C Corp, S Corp, and Partnership realized, recognized, and adjusted basis for all of them (most of the time).

    For corporations, when calculating the realized gain, it's simply FMV – Adjusted basis in the property. When calculating the recognized gain, its the realized gain to the extent of cash received i.e. boot. For instance, when you are calculating Jone's realized gain you have the FMV of 120,000 and an adjusted basis of 100,000, thus, your realized gain is 20,000. Now, when you are calculating your recognized gain – it's the lesser of your boot received (10,000) and your realized gain (20,000). Here, the recognized gain would be 10,000. Now, if you were to contrast that with how Carey is set up… You have a realized gain of 20,000 (40,000 FMV – 20,000 basis) but you don't have any boot (the corporation did not give you any cash). Thus, your recognized gain is 0.

    Now, keep in mind for Jones, if the liability had been larger than the basis, you would recognize the gain to the extent that the liability was higher than the basis (i.e. let's say the liability was 120,000 and the basis was 100,000 = you would have 20,000 recognized gain. The corporation is assuming more liability, thus give you boot). I think this is covered in the very beginning of the chapter.

    Finally, you would only use the 60,000 liability you mentioned to come up with Jone's basis. You would only play around with the basis and it's liability when you are looking at Partnership accounting (taking out of the basis, the % of the liability the other guy assumed). Again, your basis was 100,000 and your liability was 60,000 = resulting in a 40,000 basis in the corporation.

    I hope this helps rather than confusing you PASS. Let me know if you have more questions.

    AUD: DONE
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    REG: DONE

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    #653325
    Gabe
    Participant

    @NJ so if it was 9,000 net gain and 7,000 net loss, would the $2k gain increase AGI?

    CPA, CFE
    CISA- Experience will be completed by August 2016

    #653326
    NJPRU
    Member

    @Gabe – I would assume so as it would be net rental income.

    AUD: DONE
    FAR: DONE
    BEC: DONE
    REG: DONE

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    #653327
    Gabe
    Participant

    Thanks @NJ! Just can't stay away can ya 😉

    CPA, CFE
    CISA- Experience will be completed by August 2016

    #653328
    NJPRU
    Member

    I'm a firm believer that if you give back, you get good things in return. Besides, I like being able to help where I can in general – just the type of person I am. 🙂

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    BEC: DONE
    REG: DONE

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    #653329
    Gabe
    Participant

    Well, I will continue asking questions…pullin for ya!

    CPA, CFE
    CISA- Experience will be completed by August 2016

    #653330
    PasstheCPA7
    Participant

    @ NJ – thank you for that. But, not sure if I'm completely clear yet. I get what you're saying that Jone's realized gain is only the FMV of the asset contributed – Adjusted Basis. I get that. But – how about the liability of $60,000 that he got RID of and handed it over to the Corporation for them to assume it? I mean – let's think about it. Jones is basically $60,000 richer now. He just got rid of a $60,000 liability! He's not paying for it anymore. The C Corp is.

    Therefore, my issue was – how come this $60,000 liability is NOT treated like cash received by Jones? Again – I feel like it should be because the liabilty is gone! Thus, it's just like Jones received Cash of $60,000. You see my logic?

    This is why my realized gain was $80,000 (FMV of asset $120,000 + Liability relief of $60,000 – Adjusted basis of $100,000).

    I still don't get that.

    #653331
    jeff
    Keymaster

    #653332
    TargetCPA
    Participant

    B.

    #653333
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Agreed. B.

    #653334
    Gabe
    Participant

    B

    CPA, CFE
    CISA- Experience will be completed by August 2016

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