FAR Study Group October November 2013 - Page 100

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  • #477496
    robomarcus
    Member

    @DJN



    @StudyingBruh

    No problem! Glad I could help. It's one of the few sections of FAR that I'm comfortable with!

    REG - 76 (Exp 1/27/14); 3 attempts to pass
    BEC - 83; 2 attempts to pass
    AUD - 80; 3 attempts to pass
    FAR - Nov 25th; 2nd attempt

    #477431
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    DJN, do you get your FAR results tomorrow or next release?

    #477498
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    DJN, do you get your FAR results tomorrow or next release?

    #477433
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @DC, I am very very VERY hopeful my score will come out in this release (but I am worried about a technical glitch because I didn't get a printed confirmation of attendance when I left Prometric and I don't see anything in pending status on the ILBOA page, so who knows… ). Plus, Illinois isn't a NASBA state (not sure what state you're in) so we're behind everyone else anyway. Ah, the joy of becoming a CPA!

    #477500
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @DC, I am very very VERY hopeful my score will come out in this release (but I am worried about a technical glitch because I didn't get a printed confirmation of attendance when I left Prometric and I don't see anything in pending status on the ILBOA page, so who knows… ). Plus, Illinois isn't a NASBA state (not sure what state you're in) so we're behind everyone else anyway. Ah, the joy of becoming a CPA!

    #477435
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    This one confused me a bit…

    On December 30, 2005, Bart, Inc. purchased a machine from Fell Corp. in exchange for a non-interest bearing note requiring eight payments of $20,000. The first payment was made on December 30, 2005, and the others are due annually on December 30. At date of issuance, the prevailing rate of interest for this type of note was 11%. Present value factors are as follows:

    PVOA for 7 periods is 4.712, 8 periods is 5.146

    PVOAD for 7 periods is 5.231, 8 periods is 5.712

    On Bart's December 31, 2005 balance sheet, the note payable to Fell was:

    a. $94,240

    b. $102,920

    c. $104,620

    d. $114,240

    The answer is A. I chose D. I treated it as an annuity due…I understand the difference (or I thought I did) but now I'm confused. I mean, if it was recorded as an annuity due for 8 periods then it would be 5.712 * 20,000 = 114,240. Then less the 20,000 payment due right away and then in that case it would be A. I'm just not sure why it is treated as an ordinary annuity right away I guess?

    Explanation

    The note payable balance at the end of 2005 is the present value of a $20,000 ordinary annuity for seven periods.

    The first payment reduced the liability immediately by the amount of the payment because it was due at the date the liability originated. The remaining seven payments begin one year from the December 31, 2005 balance sheet, making the annuity an ordinary annuity. Thus, the liability balance on that date is: $20,000(4.712) = $94,240.

    #477502
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    This one confused me a bit…

    On December 30, 2005, Bart, Inc. purchased a machine from Fell Corp. in exchange for a non-interest bearing note requiring eight payments of $20,000. The first payment was made on December 30, 2005, and the others are due annually on December 30. At date of issuance, the prevailing rate of interest for this type of note was 11%. Present value factors are as follows:

    PVOA for 7 periods is 4.712, 8 periods is 5.146

    PVOAD for 7 periods is 5.231, 8 periods is 5.712

    On Bart's December 31, 2005 balance sheet, the note payable to Fell was:

    a. $94,240

    b. $102,920

    c. $104,620

    d. $114,240

    The answer is A. I chose D. I treated it as an annuity due…I understand the difference (or I thought I did) but now I'm confused. I mean, if it was recorded as an annuity due for 8 periods then it would be 5.712 * 20,000 = 114,240. Then less the 20,000 payment due right away and then in that case it would be A. I'm just not sure why it is treated as an ordinary annuity right away I guess?

    Explanation

    The note payable balance at the end of 2005 is the present value of a $20,000 ordinary annuity for seven periods.

    The first payment reduced the liability immediately by the amount of the payment because it was due at the date the liability originated. The remaining seven payments begin one year from the December 31, 2005 balance sheet, making the annuity an ordinary annuity. Thus, the liability balance on that date is: $20,000(4.712) = $94,240.

    #477437
    UCMCPA
    Member

    Payment happens at the end of the year, Dec 30, and not the start of the year, Jan 1. That's how I would look at that question.

    FAR - 84
    AUD - 94
    REG - 86
    BEC - 86

    #477504
    UCMCPA
    Member

    Payment happens at the end of the year, Dec 30, and not the start of the year, Jan 1. That's how I would look at that question.

    FAR - 84
    AUD - 94
    REG - 86
    BEC - 86

    #477438
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thanks, UCMCPA. I didn't think of it that way…whenever I've had annuity questions I've always just assumed it was an annuity due when the first payment was right away regardless of when the start and end of the payment period is.

    #477506
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thanks, UCMCPA. I didn't think of it that way…whenever I've had annuity questions I've always just assumed it was an annuity due when the first payment was right away regardless of when the start and end of the payment period is.

    #477441
    StudyingBruh
    Member

    @dante042104

    I just looked at some questions for leases and I think you're getting confused with them. For leases you would find he PV of payments first and then subtract the first payment.

    #477508
    StudyingBruh
    Member

    @dante042104

    I just looked at some questions for leases and I think you're getting confused with them. For leases you would find he PV of payments first and then subtract the first payment.

    #477443
    robomarcus
    Member

    For those using Becker, do you think settling with an average of mid-80's would be acceptable for this exam? I normally make sure I can at least get a 90% on each section before I can consider myself “ready” for an exam, but because this one is SO extensive, I'm tempted to settle with a mid-80's average on each section. The amount of material is just unbelievable.

    REG - 76 (Exp 1/27/14); 3 attempts to pass
    BEC - 83; 2 attempts to pass
    AUD - 80; 3 attempts to pass
    FAR - Nov 25th; 2nd attempt

    #477510
    robomarcus
    Member

    For those using Becker, do you think settling with an average of mid-80's would be acceptable for this exam? I normally make sure I can at least get a 90% on each section before I can consider myself “ready” for an exam, but because this one is SO extensive, I'm tempted to settle with a mid-80's average on each section. The amount of material is just unbelievable.

    REG - 76 (Exp 1/27/14); 3 attempts to pass
    BEC - 83; 2 attempts to pass
    AUD - 80; 3 attempts to pass
    FAR - Nov 25th; 2nd attempt

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