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November 30, 2010 at 3:59 pm #159276
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January 16, 2012 at 11:34 pm #374017
AnonymousInactive@hopeful cpa , here are my thoughts ,
question 1: A material weakness that exists at year end may result in what type of audit opinion when conducting an audit of a public company’s internal control?
This question is pretty vague and tricky and I'm not too certain of my answer.
question 2: If the objective of an auditor’s test of details is to detect a possible understatement of sales, the auditor most likely would trace transactions from the :
the answer to this is C. Shipping documents to the sales invoices.
The reason is , we are trying to detect an understatement . the rule of thumb is
Tracing (source documents into the books and records to see if something was recorded) this is to verifiy the completeness assertion and to detect understatements.
Vouching( books into the source documents to see if something existed) this is to verify the occurence/existence assertion.
therefore , if you wanted to know whether a sale was recorded you would inspect the shipping documents and see if the sales were recorded.
If you wanted to see if the sale ever existed or occurred. you would check your sales invoices and look for evidence that suggests the sale had occurred in that case it would be a shipping document.
so the rule of thumb is tracing(source into the books and records) detects understatements / verifies completeness
vouching(books and records into the source) detects overstatements / verifies existence,
January 17, 2012 at 1:18 am #374018
yankeeaccountantParticipantI will take a stab at the first question. I went to the PCAOB standard # 5. Here is what I came up with:
90. Paragraphs 62 through 70 describe the evaluation of deficiencies. If there are deficiencies that, individually or in combination, result in one or more material weaknesses, the auditor must express an adverse opinion on the company's internal control over financial reporting, unless there is a restriction on the scope of the engagement. If there is a scope limitation then a qualified or disclaimer of opinion is rendered.
For a nonissuer, there is no opinion issued.
Hope that helps!
@bkkguru
Ok, now I understand. Good way to let off some steam. Thanks again for the well wishes. I will be looking for ya in early February–hopefully we will all have this one behind us!!!
@cpanameplease
sounds like your exam went well!!! I am hoping to leave the exam feeling better about the sims this time!! Good luck!
@tebowwwwww
how to study for the sims??? that is a million dollar question. I wish I knew. I am just dong random sims from Wiley and Becker.And lots of mcq's. Best of luck to you on Friday.
January 17, 2012 at 2:15 am #374019
LisaMemberHopeful,
To add to bkkguru's Rule of Thumb, here's a memory aid that I use:
1. Tracing– Remember “TFC” which means “Tracing—Forward–Completeness” So when you are Tracing you are moving forward though the books, for completeness (looking for understatements)
2. Vouching–Remember “VBE” which means “Vouching–Backwards–Existence” So when you are Vouching you are moving back through the books to the source document to determine existence and locate overstatements.
One caveat here, on the CPA released questions, the AICPA often uses the terms Tracing and Vouching in the root of the question, and they are simply measuring directional testing and you have to determine the direction (forward or backward)…But often (like in your question) they will say understatement, (directionally TFC) or existence (directionally VBE) and from there you know the direction of testing and can immediately eliminate the answers that are testing in the wrong direction.
I hope this helps you. It helped me get through this exam.
AUD 8/04/11: 78
BEC 1/9/12: 73, 4/04/12: 80
FAR 10/25/12: 80
REG 02/25/13: 79
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VA License Issued 3/2013January 17, 2012 at 3:46 am #374020
hopeful_cpaParticipantyea i understand the tracing and vouching aspect behind it… how tracing is down and vouching is up (relatively speaking to docs).
i have come across questions where the questions will say trace or vouch but this doesnt mean to trace or vouch.. these words are used interchangeably sometimes. you have to look for what the question really wants, here it wants to prove the understatement of sales… wouldnt that refer to the existence assertion as opposed to the completeness assertion?
god i hate transaction cycles!!!
BEC: Done
REG: Done
AUD: Done
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January 17, 2012 at 6:59 am #374021
hopeful_cpaParticipantand here's another one… i got a real beef with this audit material!!
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An auditor concludes that there is substantial doubt about an entity’s ability to continue as a going concern for a reasonable period of time. If the entity’s disclosures concerning this matter are adequate, the audit report may include a(n)
Disclaimer of opinion Except for qualified opinion
A.Yes Yes
B.No No
C.No Yes
D.Yes No
A. A.
B. B.
C. C.
D. D.
Answer D is correct. A disclaimer of opinion may be appropriate but an “except for” qualified opinion is never appropriate when substantial doubt about an entity's ability to continue as a going concern has been adequately disclosed.
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January 17, 2012 at 11:23 pm #374022
PeanutParticipant@yankeeaccountant, Good luck tomorrow!!!!!! You got this!
AUD 81 (X4) Previous scores 59, 72, 72
REG 80 (X3) Previous scores 59, 60
FAR 75 (X2) Previous score 67
BEC 79 (X2) Previous score 58January 18, 2012 at 1:33 am #374023
yankeeaccountantParticipantThanks!!!! Audit and I are going to break up tomorrow. He doesn't know it yet, but it is coming!!! haha
January 18, 2012 at 2:38 am #374024
hopeful_cpaParticipant6:30pm…. finished up all the mcq's twice… scored between 82 and 95 on the different sections… and now i'm going to do the roger cram… i hope this helps me get those extra few points i need.
@yankee
HANDLE THIS GIRL!!!! tomorrow you got it.
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January 18, 2012 at 3:35 am #374025
yankeeaccountantParticipantLOL! I love that.(“handle this girl”) thanks for the well wishes.
sounds like you did a great job preparing. I know you will be kicking some Audit ass on Thursday. 2012 is the year baby!!!
January 18, 2012 at 4:30 am #374026
hopeful_cpaParticipantanytime homey.
quick question too anybody, how would one know if a misstatement is a ‘likely misstatement,' ‘possible misstatement,' or ‘intentional misstatement?'
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January 18, 2012 at 5:37 am #374027
tmw0918Memberthe question about what audit procedure to perform if you suspect understating sales is kind of stupid anyway…… a company will make sure every damn sale it had is put in the financial statements…… with sales you should always be worried about overstatement …..IMO
January 18, 2012 at 2:13 pm #374028
DanielleParticipant@yankee GOOD LUCK!!!
likely misstatement = a misstatement that the auditor considers likely to exist, either due to differences between auditor and management judgements regarding estimates, or based on extrapolation from audit evidence. (I consider this to be more of a calculated number)
intentional misstatement = fraud
AUD 6/7/2016
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REGJanuary 18, 2012 at 4:11 pm #374029
RedRage00MemberGood luck Yankee!
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Licensed, March 2012January 18, 2012 at 4:14 pm #374030
AnonymousInactive@ Yankee – Good LUck !!! 🙂
January 18, 2012 at 9:36 pm #374031
hopeful_cpaParticipant@firsttime
thank you very much.
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