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  • #373957
    MAXX
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    @Hopeful: I think option D itself says that event occur AFTER balance sheet date: so it was not directly belongs to the period which we are auditing, so disclosure is appropriate treatment BUT Question says which one is NOT so i guess clearly option B is right candidate because it is directly belongs to the period which we are auditing for eg. intially there was $50000 inventory at end of Dec 2011 but after that we found out (before audit report date) inventory loss $ 10000 we directly require ADJUSTMENT for that account.

    #373958
    RedRage00
    Member

    The correct answer is C. I remember this one from Wiley. Changes in stock prices are something you would not disclose .

    Texas CPA
    Licensed, March 2012

    #373959
    MAXX
    Member

    @redrage: thanks for sharing your answer : i made mistake i read question as “Disclousre is not require in financial NOTES” but choice C is also arguable because the option say MAJOR drop in stock price that means something unusaul deriving that price to MAJOR REDUCTION. i don't know BUT sometime thinking too much leads to wrong option.

    #373960
    RedRage00
    Member

    AUD is tricky. If you look at the other 3 those are all events that could affect the financial statements, which is what the auditors are auditing…the financial statements. The change in stock price isn't going to affect the financial statement so no disclosure is needed.

    Texas CPA
    Licensed, March 2012

    #373961
    hopeful_cpa
    Participant

    The correct answer is C…. I see why, but for answer choice C, if the settlement for the claim against the client occurred after fiscal year end, why would disclosure on prior year financial statements be required?

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    #373962
    yankeeaccountant
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    @hopeful_cpa

    I think that the answer D refers to a type 2 event. This would entail disclosure only in regards to a subsequent event after the financial statement date. The answer states that the event giving rise to the liability was after the balance sheet date..that is what makes it a type 2. Type 1 would be an event happening prior to the f/s date and may or may not need an adjustment to the statements. It would depend on if the liability was reasonably estimable.

    #373963
    hopeful_cpa
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    Yea but again, the event giving rise to the settlement occurred after fiscal year under audit. If audit is for 2011, and an event occurs feb 2012 that had nothing to do with 2011, then why would disclosure of that be required for 2011? Disclosure of this would be required for 2012 audit.

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    #373964
    yankeeaccountant
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    Here it is :

    Subsequent events are classified as two major types:

    Type 1-Events that reveal conditions existing at or before the balance sheet date and require adjustment to the financial statements.

    Type 2-Events that reveal conditions arising after the balance sheet date and require disclosure in, but not adjustment to, the financial statements.

    #373965
    yankeeaccountant
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    I think the reason why it wouldn't be included in the 2012 audit is because the auditor became aware of it before the report was issued.

    #373966
    hopeful_cpa
    Participant

    interesting… ok we can go on about this till the sun turns blue, i'm just going to take it for what it is and move on.

    next, when it says adjustments to the financial statements, how do we know if its a balance sheet adjustment or an income statement adjustment?

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    #373967
    hopeful_cpa
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    interesting… ok we can go on about this till the sun turns blue, i'm just going to take it for what it is and move on.

    next, when it says adjustments to the financial statements, how do we know if its a balance sheet adjustment or an income statement adjustment?

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    #373968
    yankeeaccountant
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    @hopefulcpa

    I wish I could explain it better. All in all ,the deciding factor is that there would never be a disclosure if the stock price moved in a downward spiral. People can check the internet to get up to date info on the price, much more current than when the audit report goes to press.

    Moving on, your other question is both. If we are making an adjustment for a subsequent event and we are able to estimate the liability reasonably, then we are talking about setting up a liability account or a “Reserve for loss” or something to that effect. The entry would be as follows:

    dr. estimated loss on liability 100,000 (expense account)

    cr. reserve for loss on liability 100,000 (balance sheet account)

    You can look at the reserve account as a payable account. We are putting this money aside for the future liability that we feel is probable and reasonably estimable. To “fund” the reserve account, we have to debit an expense account. The entry is very much like a payable. You debit an expense account, credit the acct payable account until you write the check. When you write the check you debit the payable and then credit cash. In this case when the liability is actually paid, you would :

    dr. reserve for loss on liability 100,000 (balance sheet)

    cr. cash 100,000 (balance sheet)

    So, you can see that the statements affected on the original entry would be both. Let me know if that makes sense. I will be so glad when I can put Audit behind me.

    serenity now!

    #373969
    hopeful_cpa
    Participant

    so for me to answer a possible sim on the exam that asks which financial statement would it affect, i would need to remember financial accounting that i havent done in over 2 years to answer it?!? lol great!!

    me too, i absolutely hate this, and i dont feel like studying for it at all to be honest.

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    #373970
    xwingdingx
    Member

    @hopeful

    Similiar to what Yankee said- Choice D is correct because of subsequent events procedures which covers up to your report date. So if there are litigation issues, it would have to be disclosed even if it's after the balance sheet date (it's a potential liability). Legal letters are part of sub events procedures and in it asks about potential litigation.

    Adjustments would depend on what account it is related to but like Yankee said, it would affect both bc they are linked.

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    #373971
    yankeeaccountant
    Participant

    LOL!!!

    I totally feel ya. I am soooo not motivated. The thing that gets me is that I SHOULD be so motivated. I am on my fourth try on Audit, then my 3rd try on REG. My hubby will disown me if I keep this going any longer, not to mention I would like to join society soon. I am not getting any younger 😉

    Ok, back to Becker and a simulated exam. I am waiting on a pin for Wiley. My Wiley expired, and I was trying not to spend any more $$, but I caved this afternoon. How are you feeling about Audit?

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