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November 16, 2016 at 2:39 pm #1319755
bigcore20
ParticipantSo we’ve all seen the pass rates for each quarter. I simply cannot believe that pass rates drop an entire 5% from Q3 to Q4 without some kind of adjustment. The current logical theory that’s been going around is that they have to adjust pass rates in Q4 to keep a consistent rate for the year. I’ve asked a family friend who has worked with the AICPA before, and he said he can’t reveal anything like that, but he wasn’t going to deny it either. There’s meetings to discuss pass rates and how they have to keep them at a certain level. Essentially, you could have taken the same exact exam in Q3 and Q4 with the same answers, but you would pass in Q3 and fail in Q4.
Bottom line: take exams in Q2 and Q3
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December 20, 2016 at 9:21 pm #1397595
Goingallin
ParticipantI have to say I think however method they use to score works in my favor. I'm trying to finish all exams by March 10th and so have a little over a month to study for each exam. I don't go into an exam feeling like I'm 100% ready, I take it bc I pick a date and stick to it due to time limitation which is probably reflected by my barely passing scores. I honestly felt that if my FAR exam was graded using a standard method, I wouldn't have passed.
December 20, 2016 at 10:37 pm #1397682sulaiman
ParticipantI don't agree. I passed REG and FAR in Q4 this year
December 21, 2016 at 8:33 am #1397856bucknell39
Participant@wakingbrando77 – I work for a similar public accounting firm as yourself. Of the 11 employees, 8 are CPAs. If you only do tax and compilation work then you do not need a CPA license. The whole purpose of having a CPA license is so that you can sign off on audit and attest engagements. The license is supposed to hold a higher ethical standard than those who are not licensed but that is always monitored. You can do tax consulting and be very successful without a CPA license. For myself, my goal is become a partner in a firm one day and I believe (not 100% sure) without a CPA certificate you can't own more than 10% (minor share) of a public accounting firm.
December 21, 2016 at 9:36 am #1397882Char143
ParticipantI think the tests are completely fair… When I really study and focus and make sure I've learned everything, I pass easily. I got a 72 on FAR my first and previous attempt, and it was well deserved.. I wasn't 100% on every major topic and I didn't deserve to pass. I studied for 6-7 weeks for audit 6-7 hours a day and I took amazing notes, read the book.. and I got an 84 first attempt. I believe when they say put in the time and have quality sessions, and you'll pass. I really don't think they rig anything, and even if they do.. so what? Do better.
If I knew my professor was “rigging” or lowering certain exam scores to meet his threshold, I would do better.. I would be better, and I would study to do amazing, not just to barely pass. When I go in the exam I don't want to be confused or scared, so knowing as many topics inside and out will get you the pass. I can't imagine someone studying their ass off, having amazing LONG quality sessions, and failing miserably. (a fail is still possible obviously, but seeing a 72 on my FAR didn't depress, it proved the way I was studying was working and to keep going a little harder)
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I really don't see the point of depressing ourselves on what the AICPA may or may not be doing.
AUD (2/16)-84
REG (05/16)-69 Retake (7/16)-79 (ty ninja MCQ)
BEC-TBD
FAR-9/8/16December 21, 2016 at 9:50 am #1397892aaronmo
Participant^^^ Exactly…it's their party, they make the rules and we can play or not play.
I strongly doubt there is a professional organization out there that doesn't have people kvetching about licensure and exams.
December 21, 2016 at 11:27 am #1397924Missy
Participantand bigcore nobody can prove you wrong here but you DO have to admit it is not likely for you to rally a lot of agreement that some anonymous person on a message board has a family friend with connections to the AICPA who simply chose not to deny a theory you put forward to him. Thats the textbook definition of ambiguous, not a smoking gun š
Licensed Massachusetts Non Reporting CPA since 2012
Finance/Admin/HR ManagerDecember 21, 2016 at 11:30 am #1397928aaronmo
Participant@ mia…in today's world, that's page one of a blog that a significant number of people believe.
December 21, 2016 at 11:42 am #1397943mtaylo24
ParticipantThe only two tests that I've passed were in Q4 (15 and 16). Maybe they are out of pity passes by the time they got to you guys š
AUD - 1st - 60 (12/12), 61 (2/13), 61 (8/13), 78! (11/15)
REG - 55 (2/16) 69 (5/16) Retake(8/16)
BEC - 71(5/16) Retake (9/16)
FAR - (8/16)December 21, 2016 at 11:50 am #1397957StudyNowCPA
Participant@wakingbrando77 – I know I did very well on the m/c because I remember walking out of there thinking that it wasn't as hard as everyone says it is. There were a lot of govt. and not-for-profit questions which I found easy. As for the SIMS I'm willing to bet one of the ones that I didn't do was a practice question that wasn't graded and I was able to pull enough points to pass. The truth is we won't ever know. I do feel my score reflects how much I studied and knew the concepts.
December 21, 2016 at 11:53 am #1397958StudyNowCPA
Participant@chrislo2007 – Congratulations! On to the next section. Good luck!
December 21, 2016 at 12:43 pm #1397799Trele6
ParticipantThere are a lot of good theories of how this test is scored on here. I seem to lean towards the one that means the top 50%ish during that testing window pass no matter what percentage they actually got correct. As an example:
Testing window #1. You felt awesome on the exam and got 80% of the questions right, however your 80% right is far worse than how all the other test takers did and as a result 51% of all scorers were better than 80%. You fail. The top 50% are deemed to have passed as they were the top percentage.
Testing window #2. Brutal questions, real tricky and you struggled. Everyone struggled also. You only got 65% of the test right. However, your 65% is better than half the test takers so you are in the upper 49% and you get a pass.
To me this is logical. When people get an “easy” test, many other students might get it as well so it is very hard to differentiate yourself unless you virtually get every single question right.
If it is a hard test and others are getting a really hard test also, it doesn't take much for you to get some differentiation because the top score might be low also instead of perfects in the other example.
Again this only follows suit if they are simply taking the 50% or so and saying they pass each time. Which based on results appears they might have a go / no-go line in place for passing.
This is very similar to an employee review concept called forced rankings(which my company does). We have four rankings 1-4 with 1 being the best. 1's can only be 20% of the population, 2's are 40%, 3's are 30% and 4's are 10%. Now during this process someone ranked a 3 is considered a really good employee that gets their job done successfully and completely all the time. To me making a 74 on the CPA exam equates to being a 3 in the forced rankings model. You are smart, you do a good job, however there are 60% more people out there that are doing an even better job than you, which is a little higher than actual passing rates.
To show this more clearly, assume we have 10 test takers and these are their scores:
99
92
88
87
85
83
80
77
74
65A lot of these people did well on the test right? But forcing the rankings only means the first 6 actually pass and the bottom four do not based on their peers performance.
Doing this in a way ensures only the best people are passing each window as they might be scoring correctly much higher than 75% of the test while getting an advisory score of 75.
Or the AICPA might just throw darts and pass out scores.. who knows…
First go at the CPA! Only using Becker
Reg / Nov 2015 - 87
Far / Apr 2016 - 79
Bec / May 2016 - 80
Aud / Aug 2016December 21, 2016 at 12:48 pm #1398024kcoops44
ParticipantI don't post that much on this forum, I mostly just like reading other people's experiences but this thread has become something that is bashing the very thing we are all working so hard for.
Our competition isn't the AICPA. It's everyone else that is taking the exam. You must know the material better than the person next to you and show it on the exam. Case closed. If you think the CPA license lacks integrity, you're not even looking at your study materials because the very topic of integrity is part of these exams. You also probably shouldn't be a CPA if you don't believe in it yourself and save it for someone that deserves it.Seems like if you spent more time studying instead of whining about your issue with all of this, maybe you would pass.
Also, claiming that you have a family friend with connections to the AICPA, that's fine and dandy but I highly doubt this information is being disclosed to your family friend. I would imagine that with the rules implemented for us while taking this exams in terms of not disclosing test information etc.that the AICPA would not tolerate disclosing exam secrets in terms of grading etc. because that just simply doesn't make any sense. But if it is true, I don't expect your family friend to have that connection to the AICPA for much longer because the AICPA does check these forums.
December 21, 2016 at 12:57 pm #1398029Missy
Participantkcoops except the AICPA specifically says your score is not determined by other exam takers in the same window and how the person sitting next to you scores has no bearing on your score. So you can choose to believe they are flat out lying about that, I can't stop you however, I'm more inclined to believe AICPA published information than conspiracy theories on message boards.
https://www.aicpa.org/BecomeACPA/CPAExam/ForCandidates/FAQ/Pages/computer_faqs_3.aspx
Licensed Massachusetts Non Reporting CPA since 2012
Finance/Admin/HR ManagerDecember 21, 2016 at 2:52 pm #1398114bigcore20
Participant@kcoops44 – Your theory of the exam being graded against other test takers has been proven false time and time again, and it has even been officially stated by the AICPA that they do not curve the exam. The raw score of the MCQ is based off of the question difficulty, meaning the question rate is determined by how well people have done on the question for as long as it has existed. This could be over years of people answering the question. It does NOT mean that if the average Q1 score was low, that it will be possible to pass with a lower score. It is completely different than the typical college class curving method. And that's just a very high level summary of the grading method – there is more to it than that.
I also find it funny how you expect my family friend to have his relationship with the AICPA terminated, yet I have never disclosed the identity of this person in the slightest. Furthermore, this thread was meant for discussion, and I have said before that I cannot say with 100% certainty that this happens, but based on what I have heard and the research that has been done, it is 99% likely.
December 21, 2016 at 3:02 pm #1398119aaronmo
ParticipantYou can argue semantics over the word curve, but they do change some scoring based on predicted results vs. actual results…
In other words, there is SOME change to scoring based on overall performance…also called a curve. This is according to the AICPA.
I don't think it's a huge curve…and I don't think they change the scoring/curve based on desired output (30,000 get through this period!), or on the quarter.
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