2017 CPA exam changes—Harder or easier? - Page 3

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  • #200923
    JT
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    This is just something random I’ve been thinking about the past couple days.

    Is the new exam going to be easier or harder?

    Seeing how a ton of baby boomers will be retiring in the next few years, there will be a huge need for CPA’s. I honestly cant imagine the AICPA making the exam harder (thus reducing the number of CPA’s in the filed even more).

    If the test does get harder and pass rates drop, then there will be a HUGE need for CPA’s in the next 5-10 years. (supply and demand)

    I can see the pass rates being horrible the first 1-2 quarters of 2017 (seeing how review courses and exam candidates will be unprepared for the new changes) but I would expect for this to even out after a couple quarters.

    Any thought?

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    FAR-73-1X
    FAR-75-2X
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  • #768909
    TheHoundThatRides
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    @Bnots

    That's actually a good argument and making me rethink my thoughts on the exam changes.

    BEC - 78 (August 2015)
    FAR - 80 (November 2015)
    AUD - 73, 67. (Ok I gotta confess I was even more lazy this time around)
    REG - August 27th, 2016

    #768910
    Missy
    Participant

    This is not the first SIGNIFICANT change to the CPA exam, it happens every handful of years or so. The people who are mid process are the most affected (hey, you moved the line in the sand) the people who START the process after the changes take place never know any better and it isn't “harder” because they never had it “easier” if that makes sense.

    Anyone taking their exams now just accepts as a matter of fact that they will see IFRS. I was around when IFRS was added and read all the “omg nobody can pass now” posts. Pass rates are faily similar to what they were pre-IFRS so we can pretty safely conclude that candidates just adjust their studying in accordance with what they expect to face on exam day.

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    #768911
    ruggercpa2b
    Participant

    mla you could not have said it any better. I have trying to finish the exams before the changes come into effect but I stopped freaking out about it a while back.

    AUD - 73, 72 retake 7/2/2016
    BEC - 8/20/2016
    REG - TBD
    FAR - TBD

    I am so ready for this nightmare to be over. Been at this way too long.

    #768912
    jlee1086
    Participant

    It's funny you say that mla because with the exception of reevaluation method, IFRS is easier than GAAP. I found it to be that way from the time I was took intermediate accounting. If they finish this convergence thing, the passing rate for FAR would jump by a lot, if not skyrocket.

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    AUD 68 (2/2015), 79 (11/2015)
    REG 79 (1/2016)
    BEC 81 (4/2016)

    #768913
    ScarletKnightCPA
    Participant

    The aicpa recently pushed for the 150 credit requirement for the exam. Despite the supposed need for more cpa's, obvious additional barriers to entry into the profession is being out into place. If the aicpa's goal was to increase cpa's through an easier exam they probably would not increase the qualifying educational component.

    It appears top me that the aicpa wants to enhance the quality of the license by increasing difficulty and education requirements.

    Far: 76 (Wiley Test Bank)
    Aud: 77 (Wiley Test Bank)
    Reg: 61, 76 (Wiley book, Wiley Test Bank)
    Bec: 86 (Wiley Test Bank)

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    #768914
    ScarletKnightCPA
    Participant

    The aicpa recently pushed for the 150 credit requirement for the exam. Despite the supposed need for more cpa's, obvious additional barriers to entry into the profession is being out into place. If the aicpa's goal was to increase cpa's through an easier exam they probably would not increase the qualifying educational component.

    It appears top me that the aicpa wants to enhance the quality of the license by increasing difficulty and education requirements.

    Far: 76 (Wiley Test Bank)
    Aud: 77 (Wiley Test Bank)
    Reg: 61, 76 (Wiley book, Wiley Test Bank)
    Bec: 86 (Wiley Test Bank)

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    #768915
    JT
    Participant

    I think the AICPA and most state boards pushed for the 150 credits to push that CPA's to have grad degrees/more college credits.

    After the 2009 crash, MBA programs in the US were under a lot of scrutiny. They've been incorporating more ‘ethics' courses into their requirements for graduating/higher education degrees to hopefully influence/encourage students to be more conscious about ‘doing the right thing'. Similar to how some state boards have been pushing for more ethics related courses as well.

    I could be wrong,…conceptually, I don't think the 150 credits is related to the cpa exam changes at all.

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    FAR-73-1X
    FAR-75-2X
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    #768916
    ScarletKnightCPA
    Participant

    It is very related if you consider that organizations have an overall strategy for pursuing course of actions.

    Pushing for grad courseschool falls in line with the aicpa the strategy of maximizing cpa professional quality by increasing barriers to entry into the profession.

    Statistics in the past few years shows that despite an increase in accounting majors, new cpa'so have flat lined, which has been attributed to the increase in required credits. So a lower perverse of accounting major graduates are obtaining a cpa.

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    Reg: 61, 76 (Wiley book, Wiley Test Bank)
    Bec: 86 (Wiley Test Bank)

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    #768917
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    It doesnt make sense that so many CPAs will be retired in a few years yet somehow they want to make the test harder. Ugh. My goal is to be done by the third quarter. Wish me luck

    #768918
    ScarletKnightCPA
    Participant

    Despite this supposed upcoming shortage of cpa'a I have not seen employers desperate to hire qualified employees. Perhaps this supposed upcoming cpa shortage is overstated.

    Far: 76 (Wiley Test Bank)
    Aud: 77 (Wiley Test Bank)
    Reg: 61, 76 (Wiley book, Wiley Test Bank)
    Bec: 86 (Wiley Test Bank)

    MBA in progress

    #768919
    JT
    Participant

    Well,… I know we have 5 years or so to go.

    My current job has been “succession planning” for the past 2 years preparing for the next 5-10 yrs. My company estimates 45-55% of employees will retire in the next 5-7 years.

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    BEC-80-1X
    FAR-73-1X
    FAR-75-2X
    AUD-September 2016

    #768920
    ScarletKnightCPA
    Participant

    The trend over the past couple decades have been companies shrinking their accounting department. I expect this to continue going forward.

    In addition, many large companies have outsourced internationally their accounting operations work in anticipation of the ‘accounting shortage' coupled with lower salary expense. I also expect this to continue going forward.

    Now the question I ask you is, if the AICPA is diminishing the quality of the CPA, what reason do companies have to keep any accounting jobs here? The international employees have their own masters degrees and professional accounting certificates and licenses. Technology will continue to make it increasingly easy for these jobs to be outsourced or eliminated.

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    Aud: 77 (Wiley Test Bank)
    Reg: 61, 76 (Wiley book, Wiley Test Bank)
    Bec: 86 (Wiley Test Bank)

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    #768921

    Scarlet – what international solutions have proven is that they may or may not have technically competent skills, but they definitely have extremely poor English communication skills and significant time zone differences; which is why I think companies eventually move away from this international outsourcing of accounting just like many have moved out of international outsourcing of call centers. In Accounting communication is even that much more critical because companies don't want to take two weeks to figure out an error that was made, and in my experiences, dealing with international accounting outsourcing both internally and as a customer or vendor to other companies, those errors are extensive. I highly doubt they have the large degree of management oversight you see in a traditional accounting department, very highly likely no industry experience and I would be very doubtful that even the management knows a damn thing about effective controls (in AP and AR, for example). I think eventually almost all larger companies move to an internal shared services model and smaller to mid size companies keep a local department and as they grow look to outsource in the US and as close to their industry/location as possible.

    WITH all that….and I guess back to the topic :)….there will be a boomer exodus, there will be an elimination of a certain number of those positions that were critical 10 years ago and probably could do without nowadays, there will be a number of promotions from middle management, promotions to middle management, leaving a larger than normal entry to experienced level individual performer positions open, along with some middle management and even some executive level opportunities in companies that didn't do a good job of succession planning.

    At least, that's how I see it.

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    #768922
    nadroj
    Participant

    To add to that, few if any of the low level positions require a CPA license. So there is no real conflict between the boomers retiring and raising the bar for the CPA license. Those who get to the point where they need to be a CPA to progress will either become licensed, or they'll be surpassed by someone who can meet the new higher standards.

    #768923
    sam85
    Participant

    I heard the exam itself was harder, but they just expanded the testing windows so I think that makes it easier to pass it quicker. IMO, they should make it harder. Making it easier would diminish the license.

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