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March 21, 2016 at 4:05 pm #200923
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ParticipantThis is just something random I’ve been thinking about the past couple days.
Is the new exam going to be easier or harder?
Seeing how a ton of baby boomers will be retiring in the next few years, there will be a huge need for CPA’s. I honestly cant imagine the AICPA making the exam harder (thus reducing the number of CPA’s in the filed even more).
If the test does get harder and pass rates drop, then there will be a HUGE need for CPA’s in the next 5-10 years. (supply and demand)
I can see the pass rates being horrible the first 1-2 quarters of 2017 (seeing how review courses and exam candidates will be unprepared for the new changes) but I would expect for this to even out after a couple quarters.
Any thought?
REG-80-1X
BEC-80-1X
FAR-73-1X
FAR-75-2X
AUD-September 2016
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March 21, 2016 at 6:27 pm #768894
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InactiveRoger's site has a really good summary of the coming changes:
Some highlights…
-While the subject matter of the 2017 CPA Exam will remain the same, the primary change to the exam will be the increase in the degree – or skill level – at which that subject matter is tested.
-The current CPA Exam contains content primarily designed with the following learning framework: Remembering, Understanding, and Application. With the 2017 CPA Exam, more emphasis will be on assessing higher-order skillsets: Application, Analysis, and Evaluation.
-Multiple Choice Questions (MCQs) currently comprise 60% of the scoring weight in AUD, FAR and REG, with the balance of scoring weight attributed to TBSs. MCQs currently comprise 85% of the scoring weight in BEC, with the remaining 15% of the scoring weight attributed to Written Communication. Because of the increase in TBSs to assess higher order skills, we will see the scoring weight of multiple choice questions and TBSs will be approximately 50 percent each in AUD, FAR and REG. BEC likely will have a score weighting of 50% MCQs, 15% Written Communication and 35% Task Based Simulations.
March 21, 2016 at 6:29 pm #768895Anonymous
InactiveAICPA:
Bad news — 2017 Changes are going to be harder, more complex, and longer
Good news — Break time is NOT going to be deducted from the candidate's official testing hoursMarch 21, 2016 at 6:43 pm #768896Excel14
ParticipantI'm not sure how anyone couldn't read between the lines and see that….longer exams, that test a higher level skill set, will equate to a more difficult exam. I guess though, at the end of the day, it's all about whether you know the material or you don't. To me, it's difficult enough now. I can't imagine it any harder, nor do I want to!
BEC (2/28/16) ----- 78
FAR (09/10/16)-----
AUD
REGCIA, CGAP, CFE
March 21, 2016 at 6:54 pm #768897TheHoundThatRides
Participant“So are you saying that since the field is losing so many CPAs, the AICPA is making the exam easier, to fill those voids?”
Yep! They can't announce the exam is easier without getting everybody who took it before mad. So it's more SIMS to test your true practical knowledge on a subject, but those SIMS will not be nearly as hard as the SIMS we have to do now. That is my theory. (and OP's)
BEC - 78 (August 2015)
FAR - 80 (November 2015)
AUD - 73, 67. (Ok I gotta confess I was even more lazy this time around)
REG - August 27th, 2016March 21, 2016 at 7:10 pm #768898Martin
ParticipantI think at the end of the day, they just want the CPA license to be worth something. So if they notice that the passing rate went up to 70% the first two quarters on 2017, they will have to adjust the difficulty level to bring it down to 50% on quarter 3. The opposite could also happen and they might have to make it easier on quarter 3.
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“Just keep swimming, just keep swimming.”FAR= 72-84
Audit= 73-82
BEC= 74-75
Reg=77March 21, 2016 at 7:21 pm #768899Excel14
Participant@TheHound:
I think your theory is way off, but you're entitled to it. And I think the OP was asking a question, which seems to indicate he/she doesn't have a theory. Not only did they not announce “the exam would be easier”, they specifically announced it would be “harder”. I'm sure some growing pains will occur, and some kinks will have to be ironed out, but I doubt the AICPA suddenly plans to water down the integrity of the exam, simply because of the exit of CPAs in the coming years.
BEC (2/28/16) ----- 78
FAR (09/10/16)-----
AUD
REGCIA, CGAP, CFE
March 21, 2016 at 8:08 pm #768900How many letters do you need
ParticipantMaybe it is just me but I've always been better at application. Once you get it you got it. I killed the sims in every exam for exactly that reason. Of course there are others who have better memory recall but all that means is that you have to shift your study focus. Understanding is just that much more important…..thinking through the MCQs instead of just memorizing lists….it's all much more critical…
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March 22, 2016 at 11:12 am #768901Anonymous
Inactive@How many letters – I'm with you, I've always been better at the practical than at specific rote memory. “In what year did King Henry IV die?” I don't know, don't care, and won't remember unless I have to for 30 seconds for an exam. It's just rote memory. A lot of the review course methods right now (*cough*Becker*cough*) are very heavily reliant on memory, throwing out all these acronyms for random things that they swear you must know in order to answer an MCQ that will ask for an item out of the list, and with MCQs, they're often right. However, I do better with things that depend on application. How would you do xyz? Can you do this real-world accounting example? Now that's my type of problem! I preferred the MCQs that were almost like a SIM to the MCQs that were fact-recall. I also think that SIMs represent the real world a lot more than MCQs. In the real world, you're not going to have to fill in the blank in a definition, but you are going to have to solve real-world problems, and that's what the SIMs replicate. I think the biggest struggle for the 2017 changes will be for exam review providers to re-write their materials to teach people to learn instead of teaching people to memorize.
So, I'm honestly a fan of the new exam format. I think it will be a much better gauge of individual's ability to apply what they've learned in protecting the public in real-world situations. I just wish it was changing the percentage of scores more than it is… Based on a prior post in this thread, it's going from 60/40 to 50/50 for FAR, AUD, and REG – that's barely even a change. 😐
March 22, 2016 at 11:27 am #768902shredd
ParticipantI could be wrong but don't some of these new changes go into affect in July?
March 22, 2016 at 12:54 pm #768903Excel14
Participant@Lilla:
In reality, neither what you learn out of a textbook, or what you typically see on exams, is how it is done in “real world” application. For example, I just worked at a place that utilized cash accounts simlar to how you would revenue accounts, and on their books cash would be credited every time they received money for a service. Took a while to wrap my head around it, since it was counterintuitive to my accounting brain. There were other things they did that went against everything I learned also.
I do agree with you though on this point…That to show a general knowledge of the material, you need to be able to apply it to a scenario.
BEC (2/28/16) ----- 78
FAR (09/10/16)-----
AUD
REGCIA, CGAP, CFE
March 22, 2016 at 7:03 pm #768904golfball7773
ParticipantNow that the AICPA website is up again (It was down most of yesterday), here is the link:
https://www.aicpa.org/BECOMEACPA/CPAEXAM/NEXTEXAM/Pages/next-cpa-exam.aspx
https://www.nasba.org/blog/2016/03/22/update-on-next-version-of-cpa-examination/
FAR: 63, 55, 62
REG: 65, 77*
AUD: Fail, 64, 71
BEC: 72, 74, 81*expired
March 22, 2016 at 10:26 pm #768905Bnots
ParticipantI strongly disagree with the notion that because many CPAs will be retiring in the near future that the AICPA is just now trying to make it easier for candidates to pass the exam. The people retiring are disproportionately going to be management-, principal-, and partner-level accountants (or private equivalents) with years and years of experience. No number of new CPAs will be able to fill the need for those positions for at least a decade. That ship already sailed.
I would argue, in fact, that there is little point in passing more candidates than the entry-level job market (meaning positions filled by those who are taking or recently passed the exam) can accommodate. Companies don't create, say, six new first-year associate jobs when somebody retires, hoping that one of the six sticks with the firm long enough to replace a key management or partnership position years in the future. You can already see this by looking at the significant demand for seniors and managers in many markets, in both public and private, while entry-level positions remain viciously competitive. Passing more CPA candidates than there are entry-level jobs for leads to a build-up of candidates making lattes for Starbucks while begging for an accounting job and devalues passing the exam. One of the last things the AICPA and NASBA want. I imagine, is people grumbling on sites like this about how passing the CPA exam was a waste of time and money.
The new exam's focus on application actually reads to me like the AICPA approached the industry, asked what they wanted, and the industry responded that they wanted CPAs who were ready to step in and work with minimal additional training. Which has been the M.O. for the entire economy the last 15 years. That will work to the benefit of students who were able to land internships or their first full-time position before taking the exam, but to the detriment of those whose accounting knowledge comes primarily from their academic background. That's what I predict anyway, but then I'm just guessing, the same as most everyone else.
March 22, 2016 at 11:02 pm #768906How many letters do you need
ParticipantWell said Lilla. I completely agree. And to Excel14, there are some topics that are pretty similar, others are less so (probably more so on AUD & REG, less so on FAR & BEC). In those topics that are less so, while the sims may not be EXACT real world application of the material in all cases, it is at least some form of application. It shows foundation and thought process more so than recall ability. The foundation and thought process is what will help you in the real world, for recall ability you can always just look something up…
MBA,CMA,CPA, CFF?, ABV?
March 22, 2016 at 11:57 pm #768907Excel14
Participant@Howmany:
I don't want to give the impression that I think requiring application knowledge is a “bad thing”. In fact, I even stated that regardless of the format, you either know it or you don't. I somewhat got off track, but my main point was that I don't believe for one minute, candidates in 2017 will see an easier exam.
BEC (2/28/16) ----- 78
FAR (09/10/16)-----
AUD
REGCIA, CGAP, CFE
March 23, 2016 at 12:03 am #768908Anonymous
InactiveI don't think retiring CPAs is a reason for the 2017 tests to be easier. Consider this: do we need more CPAs?
There's a need for accountants and other financial professionals, but do they have to be CPA licensees? Look at how many people get licensed in an easier state, and therefore can't practice as a CPA where they live. They want those three letters as a resume builder not as a professional license.
I can see AICPA, NASBA, and the state boards making the CPA exam harder with the goal to reduce the number of CPA licenses. Look at the increase to 150 credit hour requirements. That doesn't make it easier to be a CPA.
BUT. At the same time, they can promote the hell out of a management accounting certification for people who don't need a CPA license. People who will never work in public accounting but want three letters after their name and a higher salary.
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