Bank Loans for Purchasing CPA firm in NYC?

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  • #191987
    mhueycpa
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    Do the big banks generate small business loans for purchasing CPA firms? Or how can one get financing for such a deal? Or do you not get financing and just payout old owner from current p&l? Anyone have experience with this or can refer to some literature regarding purchasing CPA firms?

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  • #647268
    Anonymous
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    It's common to have the seller finance the deal.

    It would typically be paid out over a specified period of time, with interest. I've heard that three years is a oft used number; however, don't have any experience outside what I've heard.

    Performance (i.e. client retention) bonuses are typical as well and, depending on the age/intent of the selling partner, a non compete contract may be advisable.

    #647269
    wr8280
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    CPA billbrassskey, why would a seller finance the deal? It's the buyer who needs to raise funds to purchase the firm. Am I missing something?

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    #647270
    wr8280
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    I see… you are saying they loan the money to the buyer…….. right? And the buyer pays over installments……… now I feel dumb

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    #647271
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    Basically, you would pay the seller a set percentage of the businesses worth, or income per year, for a fixed amount of years. So instead of going to a bank and borrowing 500,000, you would take over the practice and pay the seller an amount based on the worth of the business you purchased. I feel that's how most businesses are purchased. It's basically a buy-out.

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    #647272
    mhueycpa
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    Now I get it! Thank you all for your help.

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    #647273
    Anonymous
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    It's a common financing strategy in a professional services firm transaction.

    If I had to guess it's probably because most professional service firms have minimal assets when compared to their value and banks like assets because they can secure loans with them.

    #647274
    Anonymous
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    I have heard of people getting bank loans (my former boss had gotten a loan with his partner when he bought his business, then later bought out his partner more as a seller-financed thing), but seller-financed is very common as well. It gives the seller a regular paycheck and, if tied in some way to performance or client retention, allows the buyer a bit of protection in case the company isn't quite as good as it was made out to be.

    #647275
    mintz25
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    How is this valuation done? Does anyone have any experience or examples?

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    #647276
    mhueycpa
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    @mintz25, try reading https://www.journalofaccountancy.com/Issues/2013/Nov/20138232.htm Im sure I saw 2014 issues of the JofA where CPA firm valuation was discussed in details as well. Hope this helps.

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    “If you take a loan, you are no longer the boss, and your customers are no longer the bosses. Your banker is the boss. And if you hit any adversity, like every startup does, the priority becomes taking care of your banker . . . You’re no longer in a position to do whatever it takes to survive.” – Mark Cuban

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    #647278
    Skynet
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    And Mark Cuban's boss are the Referees.

    Technical on Cuban for that comment!

    #647279
    Anonymous
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    mintz-

    I do forensics and valuations. That article link was pretty spot on. If you are asking about a specific valuation, you should consult someone that has experience in the local market.

    As a general rule of thumb, there are three ways to measure a business:

    1) Market Approach- generally the most relevant valuation method for a professional services firm

    2) Income Approach- would be used if no comparable transactions are identified

    3) Asset-based Approach- typically not relevant to a CPA firm unless under a few specialized circumstances

    For a sale/purchase transaction, the most relevant approach would be the market approach. The valuation analyst would research comparable transactions and base the estimated value on a multiple. For a CPA firm that multiple would most likely be either profit or billings.

    So, for example the three most comparable firms sold for 2, 2.5, and 3x earnings. The base multiple used in the calculation may be 2.5x earnings before adjustments to the multiple. In all reality, it could be anywhere between 2 & 3. The base multiple used is the valuation analyst's opinion. At this point, there may be a few tweaks here and there to adjust for workforce competency, financial strength, great clients, synergies, etc.

    Next, excess working capital or non-operating assets are then added to the value and any working capital deficiency or non operating liabilities are then subtracted from the value.

    A multiple of profit or billings are generally the most widely used due to their understandability and ease of use. For more complex transactions, a full SSVS No. 1-compliant valuation should be employed as well as consideration for particular circumstances surrounding the transaction.

    Please be advised that I am speaking in very general terms and that I offer no valuation advice except to consult a local valuation professional, preferably one that has an ASA, ABV, or CFA.

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