REG Study Group Q2 2015 - Page 197

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    jeff
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    Welcome to the Q2 2015 CPA Exam Study Group for REG.

    “Death and Taxes” – Individual Tax for the CPA Exam

    Posted by Another71 on Monday, November 24, 2014

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  • #680168
    RTCPA
    Member

    hi willpassby2014 , ana

    I think this is has nothing to do with phaseout, this is the idea that the passive loos should only be deducted against passive gain which is in this gain the 15,000 of S corporation , right?

    #680169

    RTCP nd Malo

    Answer is 15,000 . Please note you can offset 25000 of rental property income which is a passive income with ordinary income. This is a exception but that is phased out

    Individuals may offset up to $25,000 ($50,000 if married filing jointly) of ordinary income with rental real estate activities. This exemption is reduced (but not below zero) by 50% of the amount by which the adjusted gross income of the taxpayer for the year exceeds $100,000.

    First, the passive activities were netted $15,000 from the S corporation – $35,000 from the rental = $(20,000).

    Second, the salary of $160,000 is decreased by the net $20,000 passive activity loss for a modified AGI before limitation of $140,000.

    Third, the amount of $140,000 that exceeds $100,000 is multiplied by 50%, equaling $20,000.

    Fourth, the rental loss of $35,000 is decreased by the $20,000 limitation, leaving an allowable deduction of $15,000.

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    #680170
    MaLoTu
    Participant

    So is the 15K that is offset just a coincidence here? Because I can tell just from the facts that 15000 is the most that loss will count towards. I, however, didn't know that it was considered a deduction. I am not trying to sound snarky here! I promise. I am curious if you really had to go through steps 1-4 to arrive at what appears to be obvious (unless it was coincidental).

    Thanks!

    #680172
    MaLoTu
    Participant

    I just rescheduled my exam for Friday instead of wednesday! I am so happy that I got an extra 2 days to study!

    #680173
    princeCPA
    Member

    I think if the question says “actively participating in the rental real estate” then you will apply the $25,000 deduction against ordinary income but if the question says materially participating then you will not use the 25,000 deduction. Correct me if I am wrong please…..I don't wanna sit for the exam with all wrong information. lol

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    #680174
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I must have missed that.

    Prince, I think “actively participating” = “materially participating”. If he did not actively or materially participate, then rental losses could only be deducted against other passive income.

    #680175
    No_one
    Member

    @Pricecpa That is what my understanding is with “MOM and POP” exclusion, If question says actively participated other than real estate agents (Professional) than you can deduct up to 25 k with 100k to 150k phaseout.

    Or if its just a passive activity loss than it offset passive activity gain.

    This is my understanding as per BECKER book. And I get super confused about it. ๐Ÿ™‚

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    #680176
    No_one
    Member

    ***Typo Passive activity Income not gain.

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    #680177
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    No, it's 15000 because of passive income of 15000. Salary is not decreased by anything. Also, 50000 for MFJ is not correct, I was researching this, it's only 25000

    #680178
    magatha12
    Member

    Im a little stuck on this one:

    Brand New, Inc., was organized and began active business on January 2, 2014. Brand New incurred the following expenses in connection with creating the business:

    State incorporation fees $ 5,000

    Legal fees for drafting the charter 35,000

    Printing costs for stock certificates 10,000

    Professional fees for issuance of stock 15,000

    Broker's commission on sale of stock 25,000

    Expense for the temporary directors 20,000


    Total $110,000

    What is the maximum amount of organization expense that Brand New may deduct on its 2014 tax return?

    ANSWER:

    Organization expenses are those expenses connected directly with the creation of the corporation. These include:

    Expenses of temporary directors $20,000

    Fees paid to a state for incorporation 5,000

    Accounting and legal fees incident to organization 35,000


    Total $60,000

    =======

    Total organization expense is over $55,000, so the entire amount must be capitalized and amortized over 180 months.

    $60,000 ร— (12 รท 180) = $4,000

    For organizational expenditures incurred after October 22, 2004, taxpayers may deduct up to $5,000 in the taxable year in which the business begins. The $5,000 amount is reduced by the amount by which the cumulative cost of organizational expenditures exceeds $50,000. Any remaining organizational expenditures not deducted are amortized over a 15-year period.

    **I thought it was C- $8,667. Which is the 55,000 capitalized and amortized plus the 5,000 current expense amount. So the rule is that if the total is over $55,000 then the ENTIRE amount is amortized/capitalized and none (not even the $5,000 is expensed in the current year?)

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    #680179
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    coloradorit,

    actually materially =/= actively

    Active participation. Active participation is not the same as material participation (defined later). Active participation is a less stringent standard than material participation. For example, you may be treated as actively participating if you make management decisions in a significant and bona fide sense. Management decisions that count as active participation include approving new tenants, deciding on rental terms, approving expenditures, and similar decisions.

    #680180
    No_one
    Member

    Yes Anna, I have not seen 50k MFJ either in such questions.

    So answer is 15k because of Passive Income only right?

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    #680181
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    magatha12,

    5000 phaseouts after 55000, so 60000 is capitalized and amortized

    #680182
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    No_one,

    yes, and somebody needs to tell Jeff about this explanation.

    Jeff, are you reading? I wonder if he gets some sort of notification when his name is being mentioned ๐Ÿ™‚

    #680183
    jeff
    Keymaster

    I don't have a notification, but I can see all of the posts at once in admin mode for quick scanning.

    What is the question # and what is the issue?

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