REG Study Group October November 2013 - Page 92

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  • #480607
    Kenada
    Member

    Reposted for Qlad – differences between an Incentive Stock Option and an Employee Stock Purchase Plan? – Individual taxes.

    Incentive Stock Option receives favorable tax treatment.

    1. Option must meet certain requirement to qualify

    2. No Income is recogn by EE when they are granted or exercised

    3. Hold stock exercised for at least 2 yrs from date of grant and hold stock of 1 year.

    Gain = LT and ER will not receive deductions

    If requirements are not met then EE has ordinary income for difference btwn FMV and Option Price. The remainder is ST or LT gain.

    ER can deduct equal amt EE reports as ordinary income.

    Employee Stock Purchase plan (No differences in rank of employees)

    1. No income when EE receives or exe options

    2. EE hold stock at least 2 yrs and at least one yr after exe

    EE has ordinary income to extent of lesser of FMV at time of option granted over option price or FMV at disposition over option price.

    Capital gain to the extent realized gain exceeds ordinary income.

    If stock not held for required time then

    EE has ordinary income at the time of sale for diff in FV (exe) and Option price. (also increases basis)

    Capital Gain or loss for the diff between selling price and increased basis.

    FAR 05/27/14; 786/110 - Done !

    #480584
    Skrier
    Member

    Just finished a Becker progress test for Chapters 1-7 got 96%… One chapter left to knock out today! Felling pretty good about my progress so far. I am actually surprised at how much I am retaining from earlier chapters. It is really helpful doing a progress test after each chapter!!

    AUD- 84
    FAR- 75
    REG- 78...I am DONE!!!
    BEC- 79

    #480609
    Skrier
    Member

    Just finished a Becker progress test for Chapters 1-7 got 96%… One chapter left to knock out today! Felling pretty good about my progress so far. I am actually surprised at how much I am retaining from earlier chapters. It is really helpful doing a progress test after each chapter!!

    AUD- 84
    FAR- 75
    REG- 78...I am DONE!!!
    BEC- 79

    #480586
    Qlad
    Member

    thanks insiyah…

    FAR 72,71,81 πŸ™‚
    AUD 64,71, 72, 75 πŸ™‚ I'm done !!!
    REG 73, 74, 74, 84 πŸ™‚
    BEC 76 πŸ™‚

    #480611
    Qlad
    Member

    thanks insiyah…

    FAR 72,71,81 πŸ™‚
    AUD 64,71, 72, 75 πŸ™‚ I'm done !!!
    REG 73, 74, 74, 84 πŸ™‚
    BEC 76 πŸ™‚

    #480588
    Kenada
    Member

    Welcome Qlad

    @ Skrier – Well done πŸ™‚ – I hope to be in your shoes once i am done the chapters today too πŸ™‚ need to do progress test using the Wiley test bank and also the Gleim test bank.

    FAR 05/27/14; 786/110 - Done !

    #480613
    Kenada
    Member

    Welcome Qlad

    @ Skrier – Well done πŸ™‚ – I hope to be in your shoes once i am done the chapters today too πŸ™‚ need to do progress test using the Wiley test bank and also the Gleim test bank.

    FAR 05/27/14; 786/110 - Done !

    #480590
    Skrier
    Member

    Good Luck Insiyah!! I am working on the last chapter in Becker and frankly it is a mess of “stuff” seems like just afterthought content. A few pages of this and a few pages of that with a few MCQ's in between. Not sure what to make out of this or how much to focus on it!!. Have to complete this final chapter today and spend the next 10 days reworking all MCQ's!! October 17th…REG…. here we come!!!

    AUD- 84
    FAR- 75
    REG- 78...I am DONE!!!
    BEC- 79

    #480615
    Skrier
    Member

    Good Luck Insiyah!! I am working on the last chapter in Becker and frankly it is a mess of “stuff” seems like just afterthought content. A few pages of this and a few pages of that with a few MCQ's in between. Not sure what to make out of this or how much to focus on it!!. Have to complete this final chapter today and spend the next 10 days reworking all MCQ's!! October 17th…REG…. here we come!!!

    AUD- 84
    FAR- 75
    REG- 78...I am DONE!!!
    BEC- 79

    #480592
    Journhi
    Member

    Hi,

    I am really confused on the subject of related party loss. could some one please help?

    Loss is disallowed on the sale of property to a related taxpayer. Transferee's basis is cost. on a later resale, any gain recognized by the transferee is reduced by the disallowed loss.

    Ex: Bob sold stock with a basis of $4,000 to his brother Ray for $3,000, its FMV. Ray later sold the stock for $4,500. Bob's loss of $1,000 is disallowed; Ray recognizes a gain of (4,500 – 3,000) – 1,000 = 500.

    In another situation, the rule is if a transfer of property is in part a gift and in part a sale the transferor recognizes a gain but not a loss. the basis for the transferee is the greater of 1) the amount paid by the transferee for the property or 2) the transferor's basis. however for the purpose of determining a loss, the basis of the property in the hands of the transferee shall not be greater than the FMV of the property at the time of the transfer.

    Ex: David transfer property to his son, evan, for $30,000. the property has a basis of 90,000 and a fmv of 60,000 at date of transfer. David's realize loss of 90,000 – 30,000 = 60,000 cannot be recognize and he has made a gift of 60,000 – 30,000 = 30,000. Evan's basis for the property is 90,000. however, for the purposes of determining a loss on a later sale by Evan, the property basis is limited to its fmv of 60,000.

    My confusion is: this is both a related party transfer loss situation, but one rule tells you one way to determine the basis for the transferee and another tell you differ. Where is the difference to be able to tell which rule to use to recognize the basis of the transferee?

    Also, if Evan (in the 2nd situation) later sold the property for a gain will the gain not be recognize to the extent of David's loss that was disallowed (like in example 1)?

    Please help! thank you!!!!

    FAR: 62;79
    AUD: 76
    REG:67; 77
    BEC: 68;66; 12/05/13

    #480617
    Journhi
    Member

    Hi,

    I am really confused on the subject of related party loss. could some one please help?

    Loss is disallowed on the sale of property to a related taxpayer. Transferee's basis is cost. on a later resale, any gain recognized by the transferee is reduced by the disallowed loss.

    Ex: Bob sold stock with a basis of $4,000 to his brother Ray for $3,000, its FMV. Ray later sold the stock for $4,500. Bob's loss of $1,000 is disallowed; Ray recognizes a gain of (4,500 – 3,000) – 1,000 = 500.

    In another situation, the rule is if a transfer of property is in part a gift and in part a sale the transferor recognizes a gain but not a loss. the basis for the transferee is the greater of 1) the amount paid by the transferee for the property or 2) the transferor's basis. however for the purpose of determining a loss, the basis of the property in the hands of the transferee shall not be greater than the FMV of the property at the time of the transfer.

    Ex: David transfer property to his son, evan, for $30,000. the property has a basis of 90,000 and a fmv of 60,000 at date of transfer. David's realize loss of 90,000 – 30,000 = 60,000 cannot be recognize and he has made a gift of 60,000 – 30,000 = 30,000. Evan's basis for the property is 90,000. however, for the purposes of determining a loss on a later sale by Evan, the property basis is limited to its fmv of 60,000.

    My confusion is: this is both a related party transfer loss situation, but one rule tells you one way to determine the basis for the transferee and another tell you differ. Where is the difference to be able to tell which rule to use to recognize the basis of the transferee?

    Also, if Evan (in the 2nd situation) later sold the property for a gain will the gain not be recognize to the extent of David's loss that was disallowed (like in example 1)?

    Please help! thank you!!!!

    FAR: 62;79
    AUD: 76
    REG:67; 77
    BEC: 68;66; 12/05/13

    #480594
    Qlad
    Member

    @journhi….rules for related party is same as gift rules…just follow those…same general rule and same exception rule…

    FAR 72,71,81 πŸ™‚
    AUD 64,71, 72, 75 πŸ™‚ I'm done !!!
    REG 73, 74, 74, 84 πŸ™‚
    BEC 76 πŸ™‚

    #480619
    Qlad
    Member

    @journhi….rules for related party is same as gift rules…just follow those…same general rule and same exception rule…

    FAR 72,71,81 πŸ™‚
    AUD 64,71, 72, 75 πŸ™‚ I'm done !!!
    REG 73, 74, 74, 84 πŸ™‚
    BEC 76 πŸ™‚

    #480596
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    It's been since January that I've looked at REG, but after a 74 and a 73 I finally have time in my CPA schedule to take it November 27th! I'm really nervous because I couldn't seem to ever get a handle on the SIMS.

    #480621
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    It's been since January that I've looked at REG, but after a 74 and a 73 I finally have time in my CPA schedule to take it November 27th! I'm really nervous because I couldn't seem to ever get a handle on the SIMS.

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