REG Study Group October November 2013 - Page 165

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  • #481685
    UCMCPA
    Member

    The increase in cash surrender value is a gain, they can basically increase cash on hand if they needed and this would increase the ability of them to pay a dividend. The gain on installment sale, if I recall correctly, under E&P you recognize the entire GAIN in the year of sale for E&P purposes but only the portion of gross profit of cash received for tax purposes. Now. for subsequent years, tax purposes you are going to recognize income/gross profit on the installment sale. Since that was already accounted for in year 1 under E & P, you will subtract out whatever you recognized for income under tax purposes in years 2+ until it zeros out.

    FAR - 84
    AUD - 94
    REG - 86
    BEC - 86

    #481704
    UCMCPA
    Member

    The increase in cash surrender value is a gain, they can basically increase cash on hand if they needed and this would increase the ability of them to pay a dividend. The gain on installment sale, if I recall correctly, under E&P you recognize the entire GAIN in the year of sale for E&P purposes but only the portion of gross profit of cash received for tax purposes. Now. for subsequent years, tax purposes you are going to recognize income/gross profit on the installment sale. Since that was already accounted for in year 1 under E & P, you will subtract out whatever you recognized for income under tax purposes in years 2+ until it zeros out.

    FAR - 84
    AUD - 94
    REG - 86
    BEC - 86

    #481687
    terranz
    Member

    man you know your increase/decrease to E&P

    i thought either beckers or somewhere mentioned that E&P is like net income

    but its not that straightforward is it? bc if it were, wouldn't the gain on installment sale increase net income still? you get money in installments…

    #481706
    terranz
    Member

    man you know your increase/decrease to E&P

    i thought either beckers or somewhere mentioned that E&P is like net income

    but its not that straightforward is it? bc if it were, wouldn't the gain on installment sale increase net income still? you get money in installments…

    #481689
    UCMCPA
    Member

    I have corporate tax in school right now as well and we just went over some basic E&P stuff, well like 5 weeks ago.

    You have to remember that your starting point of e&p is net income, so if it was already included in E&P in previous years, you need to lower income in year 2 so that e&P is not overstated. As an example…

    Let's say you have an installment sale.. cost 200,000, sales price of 300,000. The sale happens on 11/30/x1 with payments starting in year 2, they have a gain of 100,000 but for tax purposes they elect the installment sale and won't recognize any because they don't receive payments until year 2.

    So lets say for tax purposes no income is recognized in year 1. For E&P purposes you recognize the full 100,000 gain.

    In year 2 they receive 150,000 cash. For tax purposes they will recognize 50,000 in gross profit (100,000 profit / 300,000 = 1/3) For E and P purposes they will DECREASE E and P by the 50,000 because the full 100,000 was already included in year 1 and current income is overstated as a starting point for E& P.

    FAR - 84
    AUD - 94
    REG - 86
    BEC - 86

    #481708
    UCMCPA
    Member

    I have corporate tax in school right now as well and we just went over some basic E&P stuff, well like 5 weeks ago.

    You have to remember that your starting point of e&p is net income, so if it was already included in E&P in previous years, you need to lower income in year 2 so that e&P is not overstated. As an example…

    Let's say you have an installment sale.. cost 200,000, sales price of 300,000. The sale happens on 11/30/x1 with payments starting in year 2, they have a gain of 100,000 but for tax purposes they elect the installment sale and won't recognize any because they don't receive payments until year 2.

    So lets say for tax purposes no income is recognized in year 1. For E&P purposes you recognize the full 100,000 gain.

    In year 2 they receive 150,000 cash. For tax purposes they will recognize 50,000 in gross profit (100,000 profit / 300,000 = 1/3) For E and P purposes they will DECREASE E and P by the 50,000 because the full 100,000 was already included in year 1 and current income is overstated as a starting point for E& P.

    FAR - 84
    AUD - 94
    REG - 86
    BEC - 86

    #481693
    rlang10
    Participant

    Okay, so I am a little over 4 weeks away from my exam date and am starting to panic. I am worried that I won't have the right limits/rules memorized. I have purchased the Ninja Audio with the updated 2013 information, but my 2013 Wiley book still has 2012 numbers. Anyone have experience with this and are they testing to the 2013 rules or still 2012? I am sure that there aren't many substantial changes, but I want to make sure that I have the right stuff down…

    AUD 96 Progressively
    FAR 86 Getting
    BEC 79 Worse...
    REG 84 I can't believe I made it out alive!

    #481710
    rlang10
    Participant

    Okay, so I am a little over 4 weeks away from my exam date and am starting to panic. I am worried that I won't have the right limits/rules memorized. I have purchased the Ninja Audio with the updated 2013 information, but my 2013 Wiley book still has 2012 numbers. Anyone have experience with this and are they testing to the 2013 rules or still 2012? I am sure that there aren't many substantial changes, but I want to make sure that I have the right stuff down…

    AUD 96 Progressively
    FAR 86 Getting
    BEC 79 Worse...
    REG 84 I can't believe I made it out alive!

    #481695
    UCMCPA
    Member

    They are testing the 2013 rules, from July 1 on they test for the changes!

    Also, when it comes to limits/rules/exemptions/phase outs… You don't have to know all the amounts. Highly unlikely you will get a test that hits you over that, that would be cruel.

    FAR - 84
    AUD - 94
    REG - 86
    BEC - 86

    #481712
    UCMCPA
    Member

    They are testing the 2013 rules, from July 1 on they test for the changes!

    Also, when it comes to limits/rules/exemptions/phase outs… You don't have to know all the amounts. Highly unlikely you will get a test that hits you over that, that would be cruel.

    FAR - 84
    AUD - 94
    REG - 86
    BEC - 86

    #481697
    rlang10
    Participant

    @UCMCPA – Thanks for the feedback! I was hoping that was the case. Although I can't say that my mind is at ease…

    AUD 96 Progressively
    FAR 86 Getting
    BEC 79 Worse...
    REG 84 I can't believe I made it out alive!

    #481713
    rlang10
    Participant

    @UCMCPA – Thanks for the feedback! I was hoping that was the case. Although I can't say that my mind is at ease…

    AUD 96 Progressively
    FAR 86 Getting
    BEC 79 Worse...
    REG 84 I can't believe I made it out alive!

    #481699
    smsingla
    Member

    I am planning to take my exam on 31st (not scheduled yet). I am using Wiley. I have covered the whole course two times now. After reading my each module I was doing MCQs and I was getting like 75-80% so I was feeling quite OK. But now when I am doing these mcqs all mixed up (without any particular module selected mode), I m hardly getting 60%. Totally panicking. I feel like I don't remember any of my notes. Please can some one share their tips how to handle this.

    REG 81
    BEC 74,65,78
    FAR 79
    AUD 85 DONE!!!

    #481715
    smsingla
    Member

    I am planning to take my exam on 31st (not scheduled yet). I am using Wiley. I have covered the whole course two times now. After reading my each module I was doing MCQs and I was getting like 75-80% so I was feeling quite OK. But now when I am doing these mcqs all mixed up (without any particular module selected mode), I m hardly getting 60%. Totally panicking. I feel like I don't remember any of my notes. Please can some one share their tips how to handle this.

    REG 81
    BEC 74,65,78
    FAR 79
    AUD 85 DONE!!!

    #481701
    jeff
    Keymaster
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