REG Study Group October November 2013 - Page 113

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  • #480896
    Kenada
    Member

    Best of Luck Qlad!!!! Keep Calm and stay confident 🙂

    FAR 05/27/14; 786/110 - Done !

    #480925
    Kenada
    Member

    Best of Luck Qlad!!!! Keep Calm and stay confident 🙂

    FAR 05/27/14; 786/110 - Done !

    #480898
    terranz
    Member

    good luck @Qlad!

    Hi all – Can anyone please confirm the 25% statute of limitations question?

    and has anyone spent much time getting into circular 230? it's not really spelled out in ninja notes right?cov

    #480900
    terranz
    Member

    double post

    #480927
    terranz
    Member

    good luck @Qlad!

    Hi all – Can anyone please confirm the 25% statute of limitations question?

    and has anyone spent much time getting into circular 230? it's not really spelled out in ninja notes right?cov

    #480929
    terranz
    Member

    double post

    #480902
    Kenada
    Member

    This is from the IRS Publications :-

    Under section 6501(e) of the Tax Code and section 301.6501(e)-1 of the Tax Regulations the statute of limitations is 6 years if the taxpayer omits additional gross income in excess of 25% of the amount of gross income stated in the tax return filed with the IRS.

    Taxpayers who omit an income amount in excess of 25% of reported gross income. In such an instance, the IRS can assess for an additional three years for potential examination. During this six year period the IRS may assess the tax or begin a proceeding in court without assessment to collect the tax. In this instance, the IRS must prove that the omitted income was includible in the taxpayer’s gross income for the year and that it did, in fact, exceed the 25% threshold. If so, the six year limitation applies to all items affecting the amount of taxes owed, not just income items.

    Depreciation deductions, which are normally not subject to assessment beyond three years, is just one example of an item other than income that could be reexamined if there is a substantial omission of gross income.

    25% Omission

    The tax may be assessed within 6 years after the original return was filed (IRC Section 6501(e)(1)), if the taxpayer omits:

    More than 25% of the gross income reported on original Form 1040, 1041, 1120, Form 990-C, 990-T and 990-PF (IRC Section 6501(e)(1))

    More than 25% of tax on original Form 720 and Form 5330 for excise tax (IRC Section 6501(e)(3))

    Includable items in excess of 25% of the gross estate on original Form 706 (IRC Section 6501(e)(2))

    Gifts in excess of 25% of the total gifts on original Form 709 (IRC Section 6501(e)(2))

    FAR 05/27/14; 786/110 - Done !

    #480931
    Kenada
    Member

    This is from the IRS Publications :-

    Under section 6501(e) of the Tax Code and section 301.6501(e)-1 of the Tax Regulations the statute of limitations is 6 years if the taxpayer omits additional gross income in excess of 25% of the amount of gross income stated in the tax return filed with the IRS.

    Taxpayers who omit an income amount in excess of 25% of reported gross income. In such an instance, the IRS can assess for an additional three years for potential examination. During this six year period the IRS may assess the tax or begin a proceeding in court without assessment to collect the tax. In this instance, the IRS must prove that the omitted income was includible in the taxpayer’s gross income for the year and that it did, in fact, exceed the 25% threshold. If so, the six year limitation applies to all items affecting the amount of taxes owed, not just income items.

    Depreciation deductions, which are normally not subject to assessment beyond three years, is just one example of an item other than income that could be reexamined if there is a substantial omission of gross income.

    25% Omission

    The tax may be assessed within 6 years after the original return was filed (IRC Section 6501(e)(1)), if the taxpayer omits:

    More than 25% of the gross income reported on original Form 1040, 1041, 1120, Form 990-C, 990-T and 990-PF (IRC Section 6501(e)(1))

    More than 25% of tax on original Form 720 and Form 5330 for excise tax (IRC Section 6501(e)(3))

    Includable items in excess of 25% of the gross estate on original Form 706 (IRC Section 6501(e)(2))

    Gifts in excess of 25% of the total gifts on original Form 709 (IRC Section 6501(e)(2))

    FAR 05/27/14; 786/110 - Done !

    #480904
    terranz
    Member

    @insiyah – thanks for the snippet

    why would the fact pattern state that gross income is 116 then?

    it clearly says Gross income there and in what you just pasted it says “25% of gross income”

    i know this is an easy prob for most, but it's not making sense to me yet…

    is gross income = “gross receipts + capital gains” because per the irs publication gross income is coming from 1040, 1041, 1120, etc??

    #480933
    terranz
    Member

    @insiyah – thanks for the snippet

    why would the fact pattern state that gross income is 116 then?

    it clearly says Gross income there and in what you just pasted it says “25% of gross income”

    i know this is an easy prob for most, but it's not making sense to me yet…

    is gross income = “gross receipts + capital gains” because per the irs publication gross income is coming from 1040, 1041, 1120, etc??

    #480906
    Journhi
    Member

    Hi guys,

    Note – If Corp. had > $1M in revenue previous year

    o First Estimated payment based on previous year

    o Remainder based on the current year

    Does this mean that the payment on the 15th of the month 4 is based on previous yr

    and payment on month 6,9, and 12 is based on the current yr?

    FAR: 62;79
    AUD: 76
    REG:67; 77
    BEC: 68;66; 12/05/13

    #480935
    Journhi
    Member

    Hi guys,

    Note – If Corp. had > $1M in revenue previous year

    o First Estimated payment based on previous year

    o Remainder based on the current year

    Does this mean that the payment on the 15th of the month 4 is based on previous yr

    and payment on month 6,9, and 12 is based on the current yr?

    FAR: 62;79
    AUD: 76
    REG:67; 77
    BEC: 68;66; 12/05/13

    #480908
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I know this has probably been asked a million times by now but I can't find the exact page to see the answer. For the exam are they using 2012 amounts or 2013. I know in Becker they said that some amounts aren't important to know because they never ask for specific dollar amounts so they can recycle the questions (personal exemptions) but what amount section 179 amounts or phaseouts and percentage of AGI limitations.

    #480937
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I know this has probably been asked a million times by now but I can't find the exact page to see the answer. For the exam are they using 2012 amounts or 2013. I know in Becker they said that some amounts aren't important to know because they never ask for specific dollar amounts so they can recycle the questions (personal exemptions) but what amount section 179 amounts or phaseouts and percentage of AGI limitations.

    #480910
    Kenada
    Member

    You need to look at the first sentence – additional

    “Tax Regulations the statute of limitations is 6 years if the taxpayer omits additional gross income in excess of 25% of the amount of gross income.”

    So your Gross income is 116,000. But 25% additional gross income (assuming you had the same amount of business cost) – How much you have understated your revenue/ receipts to get to your gross Income.

    Therefore you need take your revenue/receipts *25% to get what the IRS will deem as what the threshold is to fit the 6 yrs limitation vs 3 yr limitation.

    That is how I understand it, someone else can chime in if they know otherwise.

    FAR 05/27/14; 786/110 - Done !

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