REG Study Group July August 2017 - Page 70

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  • #1563001
    jeff
    Keymaster

    Welcome to the Q3 2017 CPA Exam Study Group for REG. 🙂

    Introduce yourselves and let your fellow NINJAs know when you plan to take your REG exam.

    The Five Steps (NINJA Framework): https://www.another71.com/pass-the-cpa-exam/

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  • #1611726
    CPATY
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    @pcunniff not sure what you are asking. However let me know if this helps.

    There are 4 types of income, Ordinary, Portfolio, Passive, and Capital. Portfolio income consists of what one may earn from their portfolio like dividends and interest. Passive income is an activity that you do not participate in (which includes rent income/beneficiaries of trust and investments in Partnerships, LLCs, and S Corp). So for example, I can materially participate in a Partnership in which I invested in, I could've fronted the money (invested in it), as well as run the day to day operations. Or I can just provide the money to the company and collect my % of the earnings from the partnership when it comes due (which is passive income).

    Do you have the question that is causing the confusion?

    #1611729
    Lamis
    Participant

    @CPATY I guess his question regarding those who I materially participated in rental income or materially participated in partnership , is this still considered to be passive income ?

    #1611737
    CPATY
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    @Lamis and @pcunniff

    there are two exceptions to Passive Activity loss rules. One is the mom and pop rule and the other is being a real estate agent. If you meet the qualifications, (if you're using becker R1-57) you can deduct a certain amount related to the Mom and pop Rule and if you're a RE agent, you can fully deduct losses from the rental activity against other income. If you use the mom and pop rule, you are considered to be actively participating/managing. If you meet the qualifications for the RE Agent, you are deemed to have materially participated.

    The major benefit of this exception is that you're not limited to offsetting the Passive Income/Passive Loss and limited to the $3,000 rule.

    If you materially participate in a partnership, then it is not considered a passive activity and revert back to the partnership rules.

    #1611740
    CPATY
    Participant

    @Lamis and yes, i think they are still considered to be passive losses However they are simply not limited to $3k and can offset other income

    #1611753
    Lamis
    Participant

    @CPATY thanks for the explanation

    #1611756
    Lamis
    Participant

    Anybody here a California candidate?

    #1611758
    CPATY
    Participant

    @Lamis NP! it helped me refresh 🙂 hope it helped though!!

    #1612010
    Operation_CPA
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    I am able to fully answer all the Related Party Q's in Becker except for this one. Can someone please explain? I normally set up my formula like Becker has on R3-48 (Example 6) and it has worked every time except on this particular problem. Thanks!

    Gibson purchased stock with a fair market value of $14,000 from Gibson's adult child for $12,000. The child's cost basis in the stock at the date of sale was $16,000. Gibson sold the same stock to an unrelated party for $18,000. What is Gibson's recognized gain from the sale?

    A. $0

    B. $2,000

    C. $4,000

    D.$6,000

    #1612124
    pcunniff
    Participant

    @CPATY AHHHHH thats right. Thanks for the refresher on mom and pop exception. My fault for not listing the complete question. However, I noted in my becker book that “to include in investment income”

    Int and div (portfolio inc)
    dividends (portfolio of investment income)
    Rents (IF NOT PASSIVE)
    Royalties

    I jotted down the note “if not passive” next to rents because I had a question that mentions rents (to include as investment income) is only allowed if it isn't passive. I would think that if you are materially participating (non-passive) you wouldn't include this income as an investment since this is (in the ordinary course of business) and would jot down on schedule E.

    Passive (sit back and do nothing) I would think is included since you are investing in real estate and are earning income based of this. Can you confirm I am thinking about it correctly? I would think rents is ONLY INCLUDED IN INVESTMENT INCOME IF IT IS A NON-PASSIVE ACTIVITY.

    Perhaps I wrote it down wrong in my book.

    Thanks again!

    #1612197
    passantsalama
    Participant

    @operation_CPA
    The answer is B 2000. The recognized gain is 18,000-16,000=2000
    Ignore the first line since the loss from related parties are disallowed.

    #1612337
    Lamis
    Participant

    Anybody is able to access the website of ninja MCQs? It's telling me maintenance downtime

    #1612410
    Lamis
    Participant

    @operation_CPA related parties rules exactly like gift rules
    Here u need to realize the original cost and the price sold to that related party and the selling price to 3rd unrelated party and then apply gift rules
    In this example ignore that FMV

    #1612454
    Lamis
    Participant

    @pcunniff as I guess all rental income is included in investment income regardless u participated or not
    Where is that question or sim?

    #1612482
    CPATY
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    @pcunniff i actually ran into the question that I think you were referring to while reviewing last night. Although it doesn't specifically talk about the mom and pop rule/RE Agents in the actual question it mentions RE agents in the explanation and its considered an investment if they participate in it. However, this question and your investment explanation is related to the Investment interest Expense in which one can itemize.

    On R1-46: Income derived from a rental property (both residential and nonresidential) is reported on Schedule E. Rental losses are considered passive and will be deductible only to the extent of passive income. There are exceptions; which is if you materially participated you can deduct up to $25k or RE Agent can deduct against ordinary income.

    On R2-24 mentions the definition you are referring to, stating investment interest deduction for individuals is limited to the NET taxable investment income. Therefore, this is mentioning the interest you've had to pay can be expenses up to the NET taxable investment income. The definition is simply so you can know how much interest expense you can itemize, it doesn't take away from where you should be reporting the income/loss from the investment.

    I would just do a refresher on the itemized deductions and passive losses to read the questions and see how these rules apply.

    #1612530
    joonpark1212
    Participant

    @pcunniff
    Assuming all tax from scorp is passed through to the shareholders, i thought builtin-gain tax was also somehow passed through to the shareholders as well, but it shows in the first page of form1120s.

    Maybe the builtin-gain tax is paid by the scorp itself not by the shareholders?

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