REG – Exam Prep - Page 34

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  • #371334
    jeff
    Keymaster

    Uniform Limited Liability Company Act (1996):

    SECTION 405. SHARING OF AND RIGHT TO DISTRIBUTIONS.

    (a) Any distributions made by a limited liability company before its

    dissolution and winding up must be in equal shares.

    (b) A member has no right to receive, and may not be required to accept,

    a distribution in kind.

    (c) If a member becomes entitled to receive a distribution, the member

    has the status of, and is entitled to all remedies available to, a creditor of the limited

    liability company with respect to the distribution.

    Comment

    Recognizing the informality of many limited liability companies, this

    section creates a simple default rule regarding interim distributions. Any interim

    distributions made must be in equal shares and approved by all members. See

    Section 404(c)(6). The rule assumes that: profits will be shared equally; some

    distributions will constitute a return of contributions that should be shared equally

    rather than a distribution of profits; and property contributors should have the right

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    to veto any distribution that threatens their return of contributions on liquidation.

    Jeff Elliott, CPA (KS) | Another71 | NINJA CPA | NINJA CMA | NINJA CPE

    #371335
    Minimorty
    Participant

    @Jeff – You seem to have pulled the provisions regarding distributions whereas the question was referring to profits. Nevermind, I just read the “assumptions” towards the end of the passage. Why on earth would they assume profits would be shared equally when generally that is not the case?

    On another note, profits, losses, and distributions are all determined by the specific entity's operating agreement. If no operating agreement is present, or is silent with regard to profits, losses, and distributions, then the state law that the LLC was incorporated governs.

    #371336
    jeff
    Keymaster

    Recognizing the informality of many limited liability companies, this

    section creates a simple default rule regarding interim distributions. Any interim

    distributions made must be in equal shares and approved by all members. See

    Section 404(c)(6). The rule assumes that: profits will be shared equally; some

    distributions will constitute a return of contributions that should be shared equally

    rather than a distribution of profits; and property contributors should have the right

    Jeff Elliott, CPA (KS) | Another71 | NINJA CPA | NINJA CMA | NINJA CPE

    #371337
    Minimorty
    Participant

    @Jeff- yeah, I edited my post. It makes no sense though. Thats not how it works in the real world.

    #371338
    jeff
    Keymaster

    It's an academic exam…I was just showing my work at how I arrived at a different conclusion than the other course.

    It is a material distinction for exam purposes? I don't think it is.

    -Jeff

    Jeff Elliott, CPA (KS) | Another71 | NINJA CPA | NINJA CMA | NINJA CPE

    #371339
    Minimorty
    Participant

    I guess I would just point out that if, on the exam, they give you the partners' capital percentages, I would apply the profits, losses, and distributions based on those capital percentages. I would not do them equally.

    #371340
    jeff
    Keymaster

    Minimorty – the context you're giving would apply to FAR and the addition of a new member for partnership accounting.

    For REG – partnership profits are divided equally unless the partnership agreement states otherwise. The division of losses follows the same method as the division of profits.

    Jeff Elliott, CPA (KS) | Another71 | NINJA CPA | NINJA CMA | NINJA CPE

    #371341
    Minimorty
    Participant

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. If I own 75% of the profit, loss, and capital percentages, I am not going to be sharing in the profits equally with the owner of the remaining 25%. I agree that the operating/partnership agreement dictates. If there is no agreement between the members/partners, however, then state law governs (ie. not the ULLCA of 1996).

    #371342
    Minimorty
    Participant

    I havent started REG yet, but this is what is in the Becker book:

    “Profit and Loss Allocation:

    As in a limited partnership, unless the articles or an operating agreement provides otherwise, profits and losses of an LLC are allocated on the basis of the members' contributions in most states. Under the Uniform Limited Liability Company Act (ULLCA), profits are shared equally, regardless of capital contributions.”

    #371343
    jeff
    Keymaster

    …we are probably drop-kicking a dead horse here, but the exam isn't going to test on the LLC laws of the state of WI, but rather the ULLCA.

    Jeff Elliott, CPA (KS) | Another71 | NINJA CPA | NINJA CMA | NINJA CPE

    #371344
    WhyMe23
    Participant

    Becker says in GPs and LLPs they are assumed to be divided equally. For Limited Partnerships and LLCs they are based on the % of contribution.

    As for this act, sounds like it assumes equal so just go with that.

    B - 85 (5/31/11)
    A - 93 (7/1/11)
    R - 87 (7/29/11)
    F - 77 (8/31/11)

    #371345
    jomarie
    Participant

    Ok I understand the difference. Then why on a MCQ the answer is based on capital contributions?

    Started sitting in May 2002, on and off. But since 2008 I've been nonstop and my scores are....
    AUD - 39, 48, 56, 65, 68, 73, 76!!! (Finally passed in Oct 2011!!!) Becker, NINJA, & Wiley
    REG - 75 (Lost Credit) 72, 68, 73, 75 (Passed again in Aug 2011) Becker, NINJA, & Wiley
    FAR - 65, 68, 75 (Lost Credit) 68, 73, 73, 80 (Passed again in May 2012) Roger, NINJA, & Wiley
    BEC - 65, 68, 71, 72, 72, 71, 76 (Lost Credit)- 70, 76!!!! I AM DONE!!! - Roger, NINJA, & Wiley
    After 10 long years of studying, I AM DONE!!!! Finally a Licensed CPA in the State of New York!!

    #371346
    Peanut
    Participant

    @jomarie, every MCQ you see on LLCs in Becker-it will be based on partnership contributions. I've studied this material three times for REG and on top of live classes for REG, I took the live class for BEC last October which used to have all of the partnership material until they took it out of BEC and put it in the REG material. So technically I've studied partnerships 4 times haha. I'm purchasing the Wiley MCQs today too and I'm going to assume all of their MCQs will use partnership contributions as well. We shall see!

    AUD 81 (X4) Previous scores 59, 72, 72
    REG 80 (X3) Previous scores 59, 60
    FAR 75 (X2) Previous score 67
    BEC 79 (X2) Previous score 58

    #371347
    jomarie
    Participant

    @ Peanut – I took BEC like 6 or 7 times before they took Business Structures out of BEC and now this is going to be my 3rd time taking REG in 2011, so I think I'll go with capital contributions. It seems that mainly all questions go that route. I talked with my boss about it just now and he said “if the question gives you the capital contributions go with that, if the question mentions ULLCA, then split them equally.” Unless they mention the operating agreement, then go with that. He pretty much said don't read into the question to much.

    Started sitting in May 2002, on and off. But since 2008 I've been nonstop and my scores are....
    AUD - 39, 48, 56, 65, 68, 73, 76!!! (Finally passed in Oct 2011!!!) Becker, NINJA, & Wiley
    REG - 75 (Lost Credit) 72, 68, 73, 75 (Passed again in Aug 2011) Becker, NINJA, & Wiley
    FAR - 65, 68, 75 (Lost Credit) 68, 73, 73, 80 (Passed again in May 2012) Roger, NINJA, & Wiley
    BEC - 65, 68, 71, 72, 72, 71, 76 (Lost Credit)- 70, 76!!!! I AM DONE!!! - Roger, NINJA, & Wiley
    After 10 long years of studying, I AM DONE!!!! Finally a Licensed CPA in the State of New York!!

    #371348
    jomarie
    Participant

    My boss also said that's the beauty of a LLC (vs. a S-Corp). You can distrbute the profits and/or losses anyway you what, but you should have it written down in the operating agreement.

    Started sitting in May 2002, on and off. But since 2008 I've been nonstop and my scores are....
    AUD - 39, 48, 56, 65, 68, 73, 76!!! (Finally passed in Oct 2011!!!) Becker, NINJA, & Wiley
    REG - 75 (Lost Credit) 72, 68, 73, 75 (Passed again in Aug 2011) Becker, NINJA, & Wiley
    FAR - 65, 68, 75 (Lost Credit) 68, 73, 73, 80 (Passed again in May 2012) Roger, NINJA, & Wiley
    BEC - 65, 68, 71, 72, 72, 71, 76 (Lost Credit)- 70, 76!!!! I AM DONE!!! - Roger, NINJA, & Wiley
    After 10 long years of studying, I AM DONE!!!! Finally a Licensed CPA in the State of New York!!

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