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December 11, 2017 at 10:58 am #1676693
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KeymasterWelcome to the Q1 2018 CPA Exam Study Group for REG. 🙂
Introduce yourselves and let your fellow NINJAs know when you plan to take your exam.
The Five Steps (NINJA Framework): https://www.another71.com/pass-the-cpa-exam/
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January 4, 2018 at 4:21 pm #1689781
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ParticipantIt's stated multiple times in the book updates I believe, but yes, according to those materials effective April 2017 the due dates will no longer be tested.
Kind of a disappointment because those would be very easy points.January 4, 2018 at 5:13 pm #1689817Lentilcounter
ParticipantGood to know!
Gleim gives you a bunch of questions about this…
BEC = 72 (6/08/16)
FAR = ?
REG = ?
AUD = ?January 4, 2018 at 5:26 pm #1689820Sandy
ParticipantI have hard time understanding this question.
Any one can explain?This question is from Gleim test bank
Clyde operated a food distribution business. He leased a small warehouse in 2015 for $60,000 per year for a 3-year term. The lease was to start on July 1, 2015. Clyde paid the first 2 years’ rent in advance in May 2015. Clyde then began to make monthly payments of $5,000 starting on July 1, 2017, and continuing on the first of the month for the balance of 2017. What rent expense may Clyde claim in 2017?
A. $60,000
Answer (A) is correct.
Assuming that Clyde is a cash-basis taxpayer, generally, rental expenses are deductible by a cash-basis taxpayer-lessee in the tax year in which they are paid. However, the general rule does not apply to advance rental payments. Advance rental payments made by a cash-basis taxpayer-lessee are generally not deductible in the tax year in which they are made but must be allocated over the period of time for which the premises may be used as a result of such payments. Clyde will be able to deduct $60,000 of rent because he can deduct the allocated portion of the $30,000 prepaid rent and the $30,000 of current rent expenses paid. Because the prepayment extends beyond the tax year following prepayment and there is no contractual obligation to prepay each year, the exception in Reg. 1.263(a)-4(f)(8) does not apply.January 4, 2018 at 6:10 pm #1689845Lentilcounter
ParticipantClyde operated a food distribution business. He leased a small warehouse in 2015 for $60,000 per year for a 3-year term. The lease was to start on July 1, 2015. Clyde paid the first 2 years’ rent in advance in May 2015. Clyde then began to make monthly payments of $5,000 starting on July 1, 2017, and continuing on the first of the month for the balance of 2017. What rent expense may Clyde claim in 2017?
January 1, 2017 to June 30, 2017 payments (2nd year of the lease payments) = $30K
July 1, 2017 to December 31, 2017 payments (3rd year of the lease payments) = $30K$30K+$30K = $60K
1. Rents and royalties received in advance are included in gross income under cash AND accrual basis –> for tax purposes which is different from financial accounting (FAR)
2. You cannot show rent expense paid in advance for tax purposes as a deduction whether you are cash or accrual basis. You can only deduct the expenses for the current period. (again, different from financial accounting treatment (FAR))Again, this is one of those weird things about REG that you just have to remember. I hope this helps and if it doesn't, I'm sorry. Maybe someone else can explain it more eloquently.
BEC = 72 (6/08/16)
FAR = ?
REG = ?
AUD = ?January 5, 2018 at 1:14 pm #1690024Recked
Participant@ Lentil
I agree with the above except #2 is the same as FAR.
If a corp prepays rent you Debit Prepaid Rent asset, and debit cash.The most important concept for TAX and the IRS is that the IRS will almost always access the tax when it is most likely to collect.
For the above question, the tax is accessed on the individual/entity when it receives the money, because the IRS is most likely to collect the tax if accessed as soon as the cash is in hand.Similar to when a partnership distributes property, the transaction is not taxed as the cash is not in the hands of the person receiving the property, but as soon as they sell it, BAM, IRS says pay up. Just think of the IRS as your friendly neighborhood loan shark, they always sniff out when you have cash to pay.
January 5, 2018 at 1:18 pm #1690030Recked
Participant@Lentil
I checked on the Gleim EA Part 2 book from 2014.
It does cover basis quite a bit. Partnership basis in assets contributed, adjustments to basis, basis in liquidation etc.
Perhaps Gleim has a bit of REG mixed in with the EA stuff.January 5, 2018 at 2:10 pm #1690039Lentilcounter
ParticipantI have to think about what you said regarding #2. I'll follow-up when my brain recovers from the GLEIM test bank session that I just went through. I have copied some of the GLEIM REG questions from the test bank as I am doing it and they show up in Google searches as EA questions. Thanks for confirming this for me in your GLEIM books.
Is there any distinction between separately-stated items for an S corp. vs. a partnership? I just did a module in GLEIM that pointed out some differences between large partnerships (over 100 partners) and regular partnerships. I don't think the EXAM is going to test large partnerships. So, I want to be clear on S corp. vs partnerships separately-stated items in general.
Thanks.
BEC = 72 (6/08/16)
FAR = ?
REG = ?
AUD = ?January 5, 2018 at 2:24 pm #1690049Recked
ParticipantOff the top of my head, no.
Separately stated items are more based on the tax treatment at the individual level.
So anything that needs to be Sep Stated for an S corp would also presumably require the same treatment if coming from a partnership.
I think reviewing and knowing the layout of the K-1 might help as each box clearly indicates which are separately stated due to potential different tax treatments.
Also knowing the rules on the 1040 side can help you remember which ones receive special treatment and thereby need to be separately stated.Guaranteed payments from Partnerships I think would be the main difference.
Also partners are not allowed to be paid as W2 employees, where as S corps can (and must) pay W2 wages to officers.
The above sentence might be outside the scope of the REG exam, but it doesn't hurt to know.
(I have some 1065 clients who pay partners and issue W2s and it has never caused an issue, even for a 1065 that went through IRS audit, but technically this is against the rules/law.)January 5, 2018 at 2:37 pm #1690055Lentilcounter
ParticipantFor #2, I agree with what you said after some thought. Thanks for pointing that out. I want to summarize our discussion so other people who read it at least for the purposes of REG, won't be confused.
Regulation section:
I can't deduct prepaid rent expenses that extend beyond the current year in this year's tax return. This is the same for cash basis and accrual basis taxpayers. However, as the recipient of the prepaid rent whether cash basis or accrual basis, the IRS wants me to include everything in my tax return for the year when I get it.
Do you agree with what I've said as it applies to REG?
BEC = 72 (6/08/16)
FAR = ?
REG = ?
AUD = ?January 5, 2018 at 2:47 pm #1690063Recked
ParticipantAgreed.
Portion of prepaid rent for future periods = Non Deductible as expense.
All rent received, always taxable.
Cash/Accrual is distractor information.
January 5, 2018 at 3:43 pm #1690079scattershot
ParticipantMight be oversimplifying things, but I just think of separately stated items as pretty much anything subject to a phaseout or limitation. Saves me from having to memorize another form or mnemonic…there's way too many of them for REG. Bankruptcy alone has like 5, wtf?
January 6, 2018 at 12:41 pm #1690295Bree
Participant@Bianca I think it is absolutely doable to pass REG in 5 weeks. The key to REG is a lot of discipline in your study schedule. I would recommend heavily focusing on the SIMS. With your schedule if you can MASTER atleast one SIM each day, four days a week for 5 weeks, on top of your regular study schedule, you’ll position yourself well. And whatever you do, do not underestimate taxation of entities. Best of luck to you!
January 6, 2018 at 4:26 pm #1690381Bourne
ParticipantI'm having a hard time remembering which assets should be depreciated mid quarter, half year, and the useful lives of assets. Is there anywhere that lays all of this out in an easy to read format?
January 6, 2018 at 4:35 pm #1690382Bourne
ParticipantNvm ^^ easier than I was making it out to be
January 6, 2018 at 4:38 pm #1690384Recked
Participant535/670 79.8%
Halfway through Roger MCQs. ~64.25 hours to date.
12 days to go.@Bourne
Here is the basic rundown from my course.
Real estate 27.5 Residential, 39 year commercial, both straight line with mid month convention.
3 year = Small tools, Off the shelf software
5 year = Auto, light truck, copiers, computers, printers
7 year = most other personal property, equipment, office furniture, desks
MACRS DDB 200% for 3 5 7. Half year unless more than 40% of assets are purchased in the last quarter of year, then mid quarter convention used.
My course says 3 5 7 year are the most heavily tested.If you purchase >40% of assets in the last quarter the IRS doesn't want you to get that extra 3 months of depreciation by using the half year convention.
They always find a way to squeeze every last penny out of you.Hope this helps you.
When in doubt, remember the IRS usually uses a SHORTER life than you would anticipate for depreciation purposes, EXCEPT for computers which are realistically outdated before 5 years. ie: A well maintained car will last longer than 5 years. A well maintained house will last longer than 27.5. You get the idea. -
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