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December 11, 2017 at 10:58 am #1676693
jeff
KeymasterWelcome to the Q1 2018 CPA Exam Study Group for REG. 🙂
Introduce yourselves and let your fellow NINJAs know when you plan to take your exam.
The Five Steps (NINJA Framework): https://www.another71.com/pass-the-cpa-exam/
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February 2, 2018 at 11:37 am #1706182
ripnamy
ParticipantPlease help on the following question. I would take the $30k and use the table for 2 periods and then take the 20k and us the table for 1 period. The answer is C which takes the same first step that I took but for the 20k they use the difference between period 3 and period 2 and apply that? I can't wrap my head around why you would use the difference? Can someone help me understand that?
Pole Co. is investing in a machine with a 3-year life. The machine is expected to reduce annual cash operating costs by $30,000 in each of the first two years and by $20,000 in Year 3. Present values of an annuity of $1 at 14% are:
Period 1 0.8772
2 1.6467
3 2.3216
Using a 14% cost of capital, what is the present value of these future savings?Incorrect A.
$59,600B.
$60,800C.
$62,900D.
$69,500February 2, 2018 at 3:13 pm #1706244jjjgolf500
ParticipantAre the 1933 and 1934 acts still being tested? I thought I read somewhere that they were eliminated from testing.
NM I looked at the blueprint and its clearly still tested.
Thanks!
February 2, 2018 at 4:47 pm #1706319jeff
KeymasterGood News for REG – https://www.another71.com/cpa-exam-trump-tax-law-changes-2019/
February 2, 2018 at 5:17 pm #1706335Bourne
ParticipantHey guys, I have my exam on Tuesday and just want to get the C corp basis items down pat tonight. Am I understanding this correctly?
If the new shareholder contributes property to the corp. in exchange for stock AND the shareholder/group of shareholder's that transferred the property has => 80% ownership at the time of contribution, no taxable event (unless cash is paid to the s/h) and the basis in the stock is the AB for the shareholder. The corp. also takes a carryover AB (plus cash/boot paid).
Cash is also considered to be “property” for the 80% control test? The only thing not considered property is services?
If the shareholder contributes property to the corp. and the shareholder/group of shareholder's that contributed property do not have >= 80% ownership, the shareholder recognizes a gain equal to the FMV-AB, the corp. obtains a basis in the property at the FMV and the shareholder has a basis in the stock at the FMV.
When there's a liability attached to the property transferred, the shareholder's basis is reduced by the liability. If the liability the corp. assumed is > than the AB of the property, the corp.'s basis becomes the value of the liability assumed.
Please let me know if this is correct?
February 3, 2018 at 10:09 am #1706524dj
Participant@bourne that looks correct. This is what I have from my notes (taken from another 71 board and I added some info as well)
-IRC 351 → (a) No gain or loss shall be recognized if property is transferred to a C corporation by one or more persons solely in exchange for stock in such corporation and immediately after the exchange such person or persons are in control (80% or more control defined section 368(c) of the corporation → shareholder gives corporation property and corporation gives shareholder stock then there is no gain or loss unless corporation also gives shareholder cash or property in addition to stock
Exception to IRC 351: However, shareholder would recognize taxable gain if shareholder receives cash or property in addition to stock(1) gain (if any) to such recipient shall be recognized, but not in excess of—
(A) the amount of money received, plus
(B) the fair market value of such other property received; and
(2) no loss to such recipient shall be recognizedExample:
4 people start a C corporation for 25% interest each. All of them contribute property or cash, no one contributes services. **Since no services are contributed for stock… at least 80% (in this case 100%) of the corporation is now controlled by people who donated property, so section IRC 351 applies and no gains will be recognized EXCEPT for people who get cash or property back from the corporation.Jones contributes this to the corporation for his 25% share of stock and also gets $10,000 cash:
**Stock exchanged for services is not counted toward the 80% control threshold. No gain or loss recognized when services are given in exchange for stock. The shareholder basis is the FMV of the services given
FMV of property given: $120,000
Liability on property given: $60,000
Jones basis of property given: $100,000
Cash contributed: 0Jones needs to recognize a gain since he got 10k cash from the corp. His gain realized would be 20k (120K FMV -100K basis) but he only got 10k cash so his recognized gain is only up to that amount $10,000
(recognized gain is lessor of $10K boot received or $20K realized gain).
JONES (shareholder) basis in the 25% stock is now: 100,000 (basis in property given) + 10,000 (recognized gain)– 10,000 (boot received) – 60,000 (liability given up) = 40,000 (stock basis since cash is received)
CORPORATION basis in Jones 25% = 100,000 (basis given) + 10,000 (recognized gain) = 110,000
Corporation basis does NOT factor liability assumed or boot received/given → that is for shareholder basis
Same example as above but with different numbers. Shareholder gives property (but not cash) in exchange for Corporation’s stock. Corporation also gives shareholder $10K cash (so shareholder has to now recognize gain)
FMV of property given: $105,000
Liability on property given: $60,000
Jones basis of property given: $100,000
Cash contributed: 0
Cash received $10,000Recognized gain in the smaller of $5,000 realized gain or $10,000 boot received
So, the gain recognized is $5,000 ($105K FMV – $100K basis)
100,000 (basis in property given) + 5,000 (recognized gain)– 10,000 (boot received) – 60,000 (liability given up) = 35,000 (basis in property for shareholder in a Corporation)
Basis for corporation would be: $100K (basis) + 5K (recognized gain) = $105K (corporation basis)
Corporation basis does not factor liability assumed or boot received/given → that is for shareholder basis
February 3, 2018 at 10:16 am #1706527CPA_2018
Participant@dj – great post, thanks for sharing!
February 3, 2018 at 10:17 am #1706529Bourne
ParticipantGreat, exactly what I was thinking but much better with examples. Thank you and good luck on the exam!
February 3, 2018 at 12:45 pm #1706584ct516
ParticipantQuestion:
If a parent claims their child as a dependent and files as HOH. However, child does not meet requirements for a dependency exemption. Does this mean the child claims their own exemption?
February 3, 2018 at 1:01 pm #1706587Bourne
ParticipantIf you are claimed as a dependent, whether that be using the qualifying child or qualifying relative, the dependent cannot claim their own personal exemption. If so, the personal exemption would be double counted – once by the HoH taxpayer claiming the dependent and then the dependent filing their own return and claiming the exemption.
A separate topic is the fact that you said the child does not qualify as a dependent. In that case, the taxpayer wanting to claim HoH cannot do so, the child would then be assumed supporting himself/herself >50%, thus the child can claim their own personal exemption.
February 4, 2018 at 10:17 pm #1707051Anonymous
InactiveThis is for anyone who did the AICPA DRS practice, can anyone explain how they arrived at $63,763 for tax basis of the land at Wayside St, Greensburg. There is a HUD statement in the resource but for the life of me I cannot figure out how they got to this amount.
February 5, 2018 at 9:39 am #1707171CanPassAttitude
ParticipantFind out REG score on March 8th. Anyone know why they changed the release date from February 23rd to March 8th?
February 5, 2018 at 9:43 am #1707174Bourne
ParticipantFrom the HUD statement, line 301 is the gross amount that the buyer is purchasing the building for (72,563), which is the number you should focus on. The 65,763 is the amount due after the buyer has already basically made a down payment (earnest money deposit). The old land was subject to an involuntary conversion, the price of the old land from the tax dep worksheet was 63,000. However, Greensburg government paid them 71,800 for the land. That results in an 8,800 gain (71,800 – 63,000). That gain is subtracted from the new purchase price of 72,563 to arrive at the basis in the new land of 63,763
February 5, 2018 at 9:54 am #1707181Bourne
ParticipantThey changed the score release due to some major system migration at NASBA. They will be foregoing feb 23 score release as well as not being able to accept payment for or process NTS's.
February 5, 2018 at 10:35 am #1707187nick
Participantdid anyone solved aicpa smaple test?
..i really don't get how they find ordinary income as $440000 in sim 3
if anyone now how they did it please explain!!
February 5, 2018 at 10:38 am #1707190CanPassAttitude
Participant@Bourne Thanks for the info. Much appreciated. Good luck on BEC. Hope we both passed REG.
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