FAR Study Group Q4 2016 - Page 48

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    jeff
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    Welcome to the Q4 2016 CPA Exam Study Group for FAR.

    If this is your first post in the study group – please post your target exam date (just the time frame to preserve your anonymity), and your past history with this exam (optional, of course).

    Jeff Elliott, CPA (KS) | Another71 | NINJA CPA | NINJA CMA | NINJA CPE

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    moonyock
    Participant

    Cash Income + (Change in Assets) – (change in Liabilities) = Accrued Income

    Accrued Income – (Change in Assets) + (change in Liabilities) = Cash Income

    #1374029
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thanks! Yea that is a good question about the cells. Stuff like that drives me insane too. I think you'll be straight and its nothing to worry about.

    #1374041
    moonyock
    Participant

    I actually made a comment about it in the survey afterwards!

    #1374264
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I was planning to write about my experience so far.
    I am using Becker. I failed FAR 3 times but on the forth one I passed it. While I was studying for FAR I met a friend who advised me to read the book before going to MCQ and lectures. Once I read each chapter, I start doing questions and after I watched lectures if I felt necessary. Once I figured out the best way to study I passed the rest in 2 months.
    FAR – long way 🙂
    BEC – studied one month
    REG studied 20 days
    AUD – studied 10 days.

    I used tips and videos from NINJA and MILES which was very helpful.

    Good luck to everyone

    #1374308
    Mscfisher
    Participant

    Can someone explain this to me….I though I had this area down, but I cannot understand this

    Cahn Co. applies straight-line amortization to its organization costs for income tax purposes, but expenses all costs as incurred for financial statement reporting. For tax purposes a 15-year period is used. Cahn has no other temporary differences, has an operating cycle of less than 1 year, and has taxable income in all years. Cahn should report both current and noncurrent deferred income tax assets at the end of:

    Year 1 Year 14
    a. Yes Yes
    b. Yes No
    c. No No
    d. No Yes

    Answer is B

    -Here is why I am confused. If a company had $150k in organizational costs and takes it all in the first year. Doesn’t that create tax liability if in the future since they will owe more based on the straight line amortization?
    So example- 200k in income 150k in expenses, taxable income= 50k, tax rate 40%- taxes owed 20k
    For tax purposes: 200k in income 10k in expenses, taxable income is 190k, tax rate 40%- taxes owed- 76K

    #1374348
    emichelle2321
    Participant

    Isn't that the answer basically because the asset will be fully amortized for tax purposes thus the depreciation expense difference will be gone

    #1374363
    moonyock
    Participant

    You have to think of it how it relates to the financial statement income and not how it relates to the income tax return. The thinking being that if tax laws were changed and based only off the financial statement what would happen. In this particular case, they have a much lower liability than on their tax return, and so an asset.

    It creates an asset now in the financial statement, the lower tax amount as per the financial statement vs the tax return; not that there will be future liability on the tax return, and that asset is deferred because for tax purposes they are not taking as much depreciation in the financial statement.

    As someone who deals with a lot more cash and tax basis clients in my day to day, I too struggled with the concept. It still doesn't quite make sense to me. I also just tried to remember that greater expense for tax purposes, meant deferred tax liability and then from there could figure out how each question related to that. It being better to know how to get through such questions than understand the sometimes convoluted thinking of the FASB.

    Also remember that the current/non-current status of a deferred tax asset/liability is tied to the underlying asset, liability, or expense. Which I believe is more of what this question is relating to. It is essentially asking should the DTA be current or non-current based on the underlying transaction in year 1 and 14. In year 1 there is both a current and non-current portion, in year 14 there will only be a current.

    #1374368
    Mscfisher
    Participant

    I definitely understand your explanation but what I'm missing is how is the tax expense greater on the tax return then on the financial statements if they are expensive all of the organizational costs isn't that a greater amount. I feel like I'm missing something really simple it is just not clicking. I even understand the current and non-current aspect I just don't understand why it creates an asset.

    #1374377
    Mscfisher
    Participant

    @moonyock…i got it. When you expense it first on the financial statements it creates a future tax benefit. That's what I'm just going to remember I think it's easier for me to understand the income part and not the expenses.

    #1374383
    moonyock
    Participant

    Whatever works for you. Glad I could help.

    #1374390
    EfrainV24
    Participant

    Hii! Took my first ever FAR exam yesterday, I'm fairly confident I bombed it. First testlet was a walk in the park, the new two had SOO many NFP/GOVT stuff which I'm just not good at. Got to the SIMs, out of the 7 had 1 NFP and 1 GOVT. Lost track of time and with 15 mins left I had 3 blank sims. Panic mode set it and I just start entering the accounts to the JEs and not worrying about the amounts. Ending up leaving one completely blank. I'll use this as a learning experience for my next time.

    Anyway – I looked online and saw that they should release scores by 12/21. Do they send emails our or do we just periodically check?

    Good luck to everyone who is still waiting on scores or is about to take the test!!

    #1374414
    Mscfisher
    Participant

    Has anyone actually done a full practice exam as if in the actual exam

    #1374420
    mckan514w
    Participant

    @Efrainv24- you might want to watch your exam disclosures 😉 but take heart in the fact that your MCQ's got harder and remember that 1 of your SIMS is not graded. Good luck. BTW scores are released at midnight- they put up a god awful count down clock just to heighten your exam misery… if you are NASB state then at midnight you can log in with your NTS number to get your scores.

    @Mscfisher- I did one yesterday morning and it completely blew my confidence to hell and back so not doing another. In fact, I want to go back over deferred taxes and a few GOVT things and then I am done. If I don't know it at this point I don't think its going to get in my head for tomorrow.

    GOOD LUCK TO ALL…

    and they ask me why I drink...

    FAR- 61-next time I'll ask for lube instead of a calculator
    REG-75- Never been so happy to see such a low grade
    BEC- 8/11
    AUD- 9/2

    #1374449
    jcman240
    Participant

    @ Efrainv24 – I had a similar exam experience on 11/29. felt OK about the MCQs but got housed with the SIMS. I only felt OK on 2 of my SIMS and completely guessed on 3 or 4 of them. They were JEs and I just put zeros down the page for all debits and credits, left the accounts blank for at least 2 of them. I did not pass but I got a 67 which is much higher than I thought I would. Point is I'm sure I can pass if I just do a little better on the sims. And for your case, you may have passed. especially if you put zeros in with the accounts you think are right… your starting with 50% of the Dr/CR right…

    #1374450
    moonyock
    Participant

    @EFRAINV24 There is a score release on 12/16 for those scores submitted by 12/10.

    @Mscfischer I did 2 of them before my exam. It is good practice, not just to see questions from multiple categories and such, but also to help you realize your test taking tendencies. For me I would go too fast and finished both in about 2:30, so I knew that during the exam I would probably have time and to tell myself to slow down and be more thorough reading directions and questions. Also if you haven't seen a lot of TBSs it will help, if for no other reason than being familiar with their format and structure.

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