FAR Study Group Q4 2016 - Page 21

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    jeff
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    Welcome to the Q4 2016 CPA Exam Study Group for FAR.

    If this is your first post in the study group – please post your target exam date (just the time frame to preserve your anonymity), and your past history with this exam (optional, of course).

    Jeff Elliott, CPA (KS) | Another71 | NINJA CPA | NINJA CMA | NINJA CPE

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  • #1313597
    MMAFEM
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    yes it is the answer , plz explain it for me, thanks

    #1313606
    accountingisfun
    Participant

    Change in A/R of 5,000 is accrual basis income not Cash.

    Change in prepaid of 3,000 is accrual basis expense not cash.

    Change in A/P has no accrual effect but is a 500 reduction cash basis.

    RECEIVABLE:
    DR: AR – 5,000
    CR: Revenue – 5,000

    PREPAID:
    YR 1
    DR: Prepaid – 7,000
    CR: Cash – 7,000

    YR 2
    DR: Expense – 3,000
    CR: Prepaid – 3,000

    (No cash impact, recognized full 7,000 as reduction to net income in Year 1 under cash basis)

    PAYABLE:
    DR: A/P – 500
    CR: Cash – 500

    So if you were going from cash to accrual start with 75,000 add 5,000 (revenue under accrual – look at J/E!) subtract 3,000 (expense under accrual – look at the J/E!) add 500 (notice how we hit the CASH account in the J/E? :D)

    #1313636
    MMAFEM
    Participant

    thanks a lot for your detailed explanation, makes much more sense now!

    #1313734
    GiniC
    Participant

    @accountingisfun I get stumped just reading a question like this one – I have to see logic in the solution, I'm terrible at memorizing. I did it the way @mckan514w did (presumably, since I came up with the same answer) by looking at the end-of-year balances to make the adjustments. Why would you look at the change between 12/31 and 1/1 – didn't that happen after closing?

    Obviously you're right, but I always mess these up because I apparently look at them from a wrong perspective.

    Thanks!

    #1313752
    accountingisfun
    Participant

    @GiniC – I know what you're saying, one of the things I've started to do is to read the last sentence of the problem (the actual question!) first and to then re-read the entire question. Otherwise I find that by the time I get to the end of some of these wordy questions – I'm not really sure what I've read…

    1/1 is the start of the period in this question while 12/31 is the end (based on your last post did you mistake 1/1 as being 1/1 of PERIOD 2?).

    For these particular cash basis questions you just need to remember that 1) The timing of cash flows causes a difference between the cash and accrual basis of accounting 2) That under the cash basis when you receive cash you recognize income and when you pay cash you recognize an expense 3) Under the accrual method the collection of cash does not determine when revenues and expenses are recognized.

    The other way to remember this if you're ever confused is to just remember the simple J/E below, and apply the concept in it to all cash basis questions:

    DR: Expense – $100,000
    CR: Account Payable – $100,000

    In this J/E you recognized an expense on the accrual basis of accounting but since there was no cash inflow / outflow you would not recognize anything on the cash basis of accounting.

    My train of thought was essentially:

    1. What is the question asking?
    2. Answer: To determine accrual basis net income when given cash basis income.
    3. What would cause the two basis to be different?
    4. Answer: Timing differences.
    5. What causes timing differences?
    5. Timing of cash flows — This is when I thought back to the above J/E and determined that in order to answer the problem I'd have to evaluate why each account changed and whether that change would affect both the cash and accrual basis or just one of them.

    Sorry, probably not that much help but good luck 😛

    #1313756
    GiniC
    Participant

    @accountingisfun – you hit the nail squarely on the head – I thought those two dates were one day apart, not one year. Looking at the provided balances as beginning and ending makes things far easier! Accountants are supposed to be precise, why would they give dates without years attached???

    #1313896
    accountingisfun
    Participant

    I've got a governmental accounting question — if you have multiple discrete component units are they each broken out to the right of your Governmental and Business Type activities and labeled Component Unit 1, Component Unit 2, etc. ?

    I'm only asking because page F9-16 of the Becker textbook shows 1 singular “Component Units” column. When would this column be used?

    #1314014
    mckan514w
    Participant

    OMG thanks so much @accountingisfun…. this explanation is great!

    Sorry can't help you with the govt. question haven't hit that part yet and don't remember anything from my first go round with it- I hate GOVT!!!

    and they ask me why I drink...

    FAR- 61-next time I'll ask for lube instead of a calculator
    REG-75- Never been so happy to see such a low grade
    BEC- 8/11
    AUD- 9/2

    #1314026
    EfrainV24
    Participant

    I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. My logic: Isn't someone giving a “notice” essentially the same as a pledge? Regardless of how long they live, they're “pledging” that they will be donating $10K once they pass away. No?

    During the year, Private Collect received the following:

    – An unrestricted $50K pledge to be paid the following year
    – A $25K cash gift restricted for scholarships
    – A notice from a recent graduate that the college is named as a beneficiary of $10K in that graduate's will.

    What amount of contribution revenue should Private College report in its statement of activities?

    A. $75K
    B. $85K
    C. $25K
    D. $35K

    Answer is A because a “notice” is not definite enough for recording revenue. Which is odd because pledges at times are recorded with only an oral commitment, this commitment is actually in writing.

    Can anyone help me out?

    #1314029
    GiniC
    Participant

    @Efrainv24

    I haven't studied this material thoroughly yet, but from my Becker class – this notice of bequest has a significant element of uncertainty to it, and none of the frameworks allow recording until probability of payment is “reasonably certain”:

    – it is unlikely to occur in a reasonably foreseeable time fram since a recent graduate is unlikely to die and pass on that bequest in the near term.
    – the pledge is for uncertain future assets, as the graduate might not have $10,000 to donate upon death
    – people change their wills all the time, so it's entirely possible the bequest will be nullified.

    Does that help?

    #1314257
    accountingisfun
    Participant

    Debating whether to push my exam back… I have it scheduled for Wednesday…

    My mini progress exam scores have been all over the place, 60%, 80%, 60%, 80%… Overall I'm averaging a 72% on homework and progress test questions which is better than the 65% I was getting the first time I took the exam…

    Will probably spend some time memorizing details / formulas today and then make a decision early tomorrow…

    #1314278
    GiniC
    Participant

    @accoutingisfun –

    My biggest supporter (Mom) would tell me – you're in the five-day window where you're going to pay full price for the exam no matter what. You might as well sit for it, the worst that can happen is you fail.

    On the other hand, I have experienced failure at things important to me (she has been fortunate not to) and you have to evaluate how your ego will handle a failure. Is it worth giving up the exam fee, when there's a chance you'll pass? Only you know yourself well enough to do that evaluation.

    I have already canceled my FAR seat on 11/26. I know I can't be even close to ready for that and still stay on track for AUD December 10 – and I feel far more able to be ready for AUD in six weeks than FAR in three. I'll have to get a new NTS and find a seat in Q1 to finish FAR. I tried to look for seats in my area, but nothing showed up. This is my first NTS, which expires 12/30. Do you know if Prometric would just show no available seats after the NTS expires, or are the centers really all filled up through February??

    #1314280
    accountingisfun
    Participant

    Oh, I'm going to sit for the exam this testing window regardless — for a lot of different reasons I have no choice really (long story) :- P

    One of the reasons why I didn't schedule for the end of the month though is that I lose a part (Audit) 11/30 – and I want to be able to squeeze in a re-take the first week of December if that's what it comes to…

    My dilemma is really just how much more time I can take off from work and whether an extra 3-4 days will help (score cut-off is November 14th so I'm not going to push my exam past that date)…

    Prometric will still show open seats if your NTS has expired —

    https://securereg3.prometric.com/professionalhome.aspx

    You can go to the above link and there's a “Seat Availability Tool” so you don't even need a NTS to see what seats are open…

    #1314292
    GiniC
    Participant

    @accountingisfun – Thanks for the link!

    There's a flaw in your plan… Once you fail, you can't schedule a retake in the same testing window (unless perhaps you're not in a NASBA state?)

    #1314293
    accountingisfun
    Participant

    Oh no you're correct — right now I'm studying for FAR, basically if I fail FAR – on November 30th I lose credit for Audit (time will lapse) – I believe once that happens I should be able to schedule an Audit retake since I didn't take Audit in this testing window!

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