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December 2, 2015 at 3:06 am #198720
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December 20, 2015 at 12:42 am #746111
AnonymousInactiveBonds are a liability from the issuer perspective not from the purchaser. I think where I am a bit lost is in that I would have thought that the interest recevable would have been accrued at each end of a month accounting for that month's portion of the interest not at the beggining of the note being created. I am sorry for the confusion but this discussion helps me a lot, I need to visualize and map things out in order to understand them 🙂 I have yet to see a note being recorded with a interest recevable at the beginning or if I saw one I do not remeber (which is a big posibility for me at this point)
December 20, 2015 at 1:04 am #746112
MaLoTuParticipantIt may be accrued by month but it is payable on November 15th in one lump sum along with the principal. try not to get confused by irrelevant details. The only important thing to know is that they established an interest receivable account so that when they earned the interest it would be matched to something.
It is always helpful to have a real dialogue about the questions and their answers. It helps solidify understanding on both sides.December 20, 2015 at 1:20 am #746113
AnonymousInactiveYep it really does. Then to end the discussion so I dont bother you anymore 🙂 If interest revenue is not increased (credited) at the beggining on @Goldielocsss MCQ then what account would be credited?
December 20, 2015 at 1:30 am #746114
MaLoTuParticipantDecember 20, 2015 at 1:51 am #746115
AnonymousInactiveThere is my confusion and I think @Goldielocsss confusion too bc if that is the case then what would happen when the seller receives the lump sum?
Dr. Cash
Cr Int Rec
Cr Int Rev?
And if the interest would have been accrued by month ends what would have been the JE?
Int Rec (again?)
Int RevIn that case the revenue would not need to be recognized on the lump sum payment and instead you would debit cash and credit the receivable but the interest receivable would have been increased more and more by months ends. Maybe it has something to do with the note being dated July, but I guess that if you recognize those prior months interest that you would credit interest revenue too. Maybe someone else will chime in and help us 🙂
December 20, 2015 at 2:10 am #746116
MaLoTuParticipantI think when they received it would be:
Dr cash
Cr notes receivable
Dr interest revenue
Cr interest receivableWe need emoticons … \_(- .-)_/
December 20, 2015 at 2:36 am #746117
AnonymousInactiveMaLoTu in that case would not revenues be understated? Emoticon confused and tired bc of studying here….
This question got me mad :/
On December 31, 20X1, Dahlia, a nongovernmental not-for-profit entity, purchased a vehicle with $15,000 unrestricted cash and received a donated second vehicle having a fair value of $12,000. Dahlia expects each vehicle to provide it with equal service value over each of the next five years and with no residual value. Dahlia has an accounting policy implying a time restriction on gifts of long-lived assets. In Dahlia's 20X2 statement of financial position, what amount of temporarily restricted net assets would relate to the donated vehicle?
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$0B.
$5,400C.
$9,600D.
$12,000Answer is C.
Nongovernmental not-for-profit entities may adopt an accounting policy recognizing a time restriction on assets provided by donors for the entity's use. The residual value of the asset, after annual depreciation, would therefore be recognized as temporarily restricted assets. The annual depreciation is recognized as an expense, shown as a reduction of unrestricted assets. Annual depreciation is also shown as a reduction in the value of the asset. As the asset is reduced in value, the amount of associated temporarily restricted net assets is also reduced. This requires a reduction of temporarily restricted net assets shown as “net assets released from restrictions†on the statement of activities.Therefore, one year's depreciation of the donated vehicle ($12,000 ÷ 5 years, or $2,400) would reduce its residual value to $9,600 ($12,000 – $2,400).
So I guess accounting policies adopted by the NFP are treated the same as donor restrictions?
December 20, 2015 at 3:27 am #746118
MaLoTuParticipantI am not on gv/NFP sections yet … hopefully another group member will jump in …
December 20, 2015 at 3:37 am #746119
AnonymousInactiveFor me NPF its a little easier to understand than Gov bc the accounting looks more like business GAAP but with some teaks here and there. But still sometimes I get confused with some of those tweaks :/ that MCQ really got to me….
December 20, 2015 at 4:13 am #746120
AnonymousInactiveCalling it a night.. MaLoTu really appreciate the exchange. Happy studying!!
December 22, 2015 at 6:11 pm #746121
pyacpa49Participant@MaLoTu I guess in this case the time restrictions are set by the NFP entity rather than the donor? It seems to me what the answer is saying. That's the part that trips me up. From everything I've seen in my studying so far all questions relating to donated fixed assets were unrestricted, so I'm glad you posted this. So as long as they impose a time restriction they would be similar to the restrictions set by donors? Have you found out anything else for this?
December 22, 2015 at 9:29 pm #746122
AnonymousInactiveActually @pyacpa49 it was me who posted the question and no I haven't found anything. What I really would like to know is that if accounting policies are a different thing from Board designated restrictions in this case. Because the review material is pretty clear in that board designated restrictions do not affect classifications of net assets so if they are a different thing then I guess I can live with the answer given on the MCQ.
December 22, 2015 at 11:18 pm #746123
pyacpa49ParticipantYep,my mistake I saw the conversation between you two and thought MaLoTu had posted it. You may be right in that accounting policies may may be different, and that would make the answer make sense. I'm using Wiley to study and I'm looking at the NFP section, but like I said I only see donated fixed assets coming under unrestricted. It just bugs me not knowing for sure because I know with my luck I'll get a question like this, and with everything there is to study who knows if I'll remember how to attack the question.
December 22, 2015 at 11:58 pm #746124
AnonymousInactiveYeah I know, it kind of sucks I feel that way too but I am moving forward thinking that donors are the only ones that can make an assets being classified as a restricted or permanent net asset. Btw how did you feel getting thru the Wiley book (CPA Excel right?) For AUD they were great for me but for FAR I could not get thru the amount of material they have.
December 23, 2015 at 3:34 am #746125
GalynaParticipantHi everybody! I'm just starting to study for FAR and I need a study buddy to keep on track!
I had a great buddy who I met on one of the forums, and even though we lived nowhere close to each other we were able to study together through skype, google hangout and so on. It was very beneficial for both of us, but now he passed all 4 parts already and I'm only on my third one. I know myself – I am a master of procrastination. Anyone with the same problem who wants to study for FAR together and help each other to stay on track?:)Bec - 74; 81
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