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November 25, 2013 at 5:49 pm #182024
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February 21, 2014 at 5:11 pm #528225
ZackrampageMemberFebruary 21, 2014 at 5:30 pm #528190
AnonymousInactive@stoleway–What part of AR are you having trouble with? Bad debt?
February 21, 2014 at 5:30 pm #528227
AnonymousInactive@stoleway–What part of AR are you having trouble with? Bad debt?
February 21, 2014 at 5:48 pm #528192
stolewayParticipant@cpamommy
Yeah bad debt is one the crazy areas, I know the journal entries but I think I lack a little bit of conceptual knowledge about when to recognise bad debt.
Do you debit bad debt and credit allowance for uncollectible account based on % of sales?
Or do you debit allowance for uncollectible expense and credit AR ?
Is the ending uncollectible balance the amount that has to carried forward to the next period or the amount that has to be deducted from current year AR to arrive at NRV receivables for the current.
Let's get this down before I come out with my next question on note receivables:)
REG -63│ 84!!
BEC- 59│70│ 71 │78!
AUD- 75!
FAR- 87!Mass-CPA
February 21, 2014 at 5:48 pm #528229
stolewayParticipant@cpamommy
Yeah bad debt is one the crazy areas, I know the journal entries but I think I lack a little bit of conceptual knowledge about when to recognise bad debt.
Do you debit bad debt and credit allowance for uncollectible account based on % of sales?
Or do you debit allowance for uncollectible expense and credit AR ?
Is the ending uncollectible balance the amount that has to carried forward to the next period or the amount that has to be deducted from current year AR to arrive at NRV receivables for the current.
Let's get this down before I come out with my next question on note receivables:)
REG -63│ 84!!
BEC- 59│70│ 71 │78!
AUD- 75!
FAR- 87!Mass-CPA
February 21, 2014 at 6:21 pm #528194
AnonymousInactiveWhen recognizing Bad bebt you always debit Bad Debt Expense and credit Allowance for Doubtful (Uncollectible) accounts. You don't ever do anything to the actual A/R because that would change how much you show that the customer owes. That's why you use that contra account (ADA). However, when you write it off you are saying that you will never collect the money so you get rid of customer's A/R completely and you get rid of the estimated uncollectible amount that you previously booked for them because now it is all uncollectible. You don't ever do anything to expense during a write off because you have already recognized the expense when you estimated it as uncollectible.
If you calculate the bad debt off of a percentage of sales then that is the amount of bad debt you book for the period. If you calculate the bad debt off of a percentage of A/R then you are only booking the difference between that calculation and the beginning Doubtful account balance. The best way I can explain that is sales are on the income statement, which is a specific period of time that has a starting point of zero and starts over at zero for each new period. So the calculation of bad debt is based on that period's activity only. A/R is on the balance sheet and fluctuates based on customer activity. It does not have a starting point of zero each period so you always have to factor in what you have already booked based on the balance at the end of the prior period.
February 21, 2014 at 6:21 pm #528231
AnonymousInactiveWhen recognizing Bad bebt you always debit Bad Debt Expense and credit Allowance for Doubtful (Uncollectible) accounts. You don't ever do anything to the actual A/R because that would change how much you show that the customer owes. That's why you use that contra account (ADA). However, when you write it off you are saying that you will never collect the money so you get rid of customer's A/R completely and you get rid of the estimated uncollectible amount that you previously booked for them because now it is all uncollectible. You don't ever do anything to expense during a write off because you have already recognized the expense when you estimated it as uncollectible.
If you calculate the bad debt off of a percentage of sales then that is the amount of bad debt you book for the period. If you calculate the bad debt off of a percentage of A/R then you are only booking the difference between that calculation and the beginning Doubtful account balance. The best way I can explain that is sales are on the income statement, which is a specific period of time that has a starting point of zero and starts over at zero for each new period. So the calculation of bad debt is based on that period's activity only. A/R is on the balance sheet and fluctuates based on customer activity. It does not have a starting point of zero each period so you always have to factor in what you have already booked based on the balance at the end of the prior period.
February 21, 2014 at 6:22 pm #528196
rvcpaMembercompletely forgot oci was net of tax. -_-
February 21, 2014 at 6:22 pm #528233
rvcpaMembercompletely forgot oci was net of tax. -_-
February 21, 2014 at 6:30 pm #528198
AnonymousInactive@stoleway I hear you on the note receivables (ugh). I try to think of them like bonds which make more sense to me and hopefully you. But, regarding AR and AFDA (Accounts Receivable and Allowance for Doubtful Accounts) it depends which method you're using. I've outlined it below and hope it helps!
Percentage of Sales:
-If you take a percentage of sales approach (think credit sales) you will take the % of of credits sales estimated to be uncollectable and multiply it by credit sales. This amount will be you Bad Debt Expense. The JE is:
Dr. Bad Debt Expense
Cr. AFDA
*Note the balance in any AFDA account is ignored, you just increase the AFDA account and the offset to Bad Debt Expense based on the above % x credit sales = bad debt expense. AFDA is a balance sheet account so it will carry forward to the next period. It's a contra-asset account so AR on the financials will be presented ‘net' of AFDA.
Percentage of Receivables Method
-If you take the percentage of receivables method this is where you use AR aging. This practice is most often used. If a problem says 2% of outstanding AR over 60 days is uncollectable and the balance in the over 60 day ‘bucket' of AR is $1,000 you would book:
Dr. Bad Debt Expense for 20
Cr. AFDA 20
The entry above is reducing AR using AFDA as a contra-asset account. It is not writing off the AR from the records. Let's say you had an invoice for $17 that you determined was uncollectable then you would write off that AR:
Dr. AFDA 17
Cr. AR 17
The debit to AFDA allows you do credit the AR off your records.
Recovery
-Let's say you wrote that $17 AR and your customer says they'll actually pay you. Well gosh darn it, you wrote it off! No worries, you'll just reinstate AR and then collect as normal =)
Dr. AR 17
Cr. AFDA 17
Dr. Cash 17
Cr. AR 17
The AFDA is a balance sheet account so it's rolling. In the next period it will get adjusted as the aging and bad debt expense changes.
Just to note the Direct Write-off is NOT GAAP because it violates the matching principle. When you deem AR uncollectable you simply:
Dr. Bad Debt Expense
Cr. AR
February 21, 2014 at 6:30 pm #528235
AnonymousInactive@stoleway I hear you on the note receivables (ugh). I try to think of them like bonds which make more sense to me and hopefully you. But, regarding AR and AFDA (Accounts Receivable and Allowance for Doubtful Accounts) it depends which method you're using. I've outlined it below and hope it helps!
Percentage of Sales:
-If you take a percentage of sales approach (think credit sales) you will take the % of of credits sales estimated to be uncollectable and multiply it by credit sales. This amount will be you Bad Debt Expense. The JE is:
Dr. Bad Debt Expense
Cr. AFDA
*Note the balance in any AFDA account is ignored, you just increase the AFDA account and the offset to Bad Debt Expense based on the above % x credit sales = bad debt expense. AFDA is a balance sheet account so it will carry forward to the next period. It's a contra-asset account so AR on the financials will be presented ‘net' of AFDA.
Percentage of Receivables Method
-If you take the percentage of receivables method this is where you use AR aging. This practice is most often used. If a problem says 2% of outstanding AR over 60 days is uncollectable and the balance in the over 60 day ‘bucket' of AR is $1,000 you would book:
Dr. Bad Debt Expense for 20
Cr. AFDA 20
The entry above is reducing AR using AFDA as a contra-asset account. It is not writing off the AR from the records. Let's say you had an invoice for $17 that you determined was uncollectable then you would write off that AR:
Dr. AFDA 17
Cr. AR 17
The debit to AFDA allows you do credit the AR off your records.
Recovery
-Let's say you wrote that $17 AR and your customer says they'll actually pay you. Well gosh darn it, you wrote it off! No worries, you'll just reinstate AR and then collect as normal =)
Dr. AR 17
Cr. AFDA 17
Dr. Cash 17
Cr. AR 17
The AFDA is a balance sheet account so it's rolling. In the next period it will get adjusted as the aging and bad debt expense changes.
Just to note the Direct Write-off is NOT GAAP because it violates the matching principle. When you deem AR uncollectable you simply:
Dr. Bad Debt Expense
Cr. AR
February 21, 2014 at 6:31 pm #528200
AnonymousInactiveoh wow, that didn't' appear that as such a long post when I was typing….sorry that it takes up so much space.
February 21, 2014 at 6:31 pm #528237
AnonymousInactiveoh wow, that didn't' appear that as such a long post when I was typing….sorry that it takes up so much space.
February 21, 2014 at 6:50 pm #528202
teeteenounoucheMemberThanks Cricket, the more detailed the better 🙂
Florida:
AUD: 73, 81! Thank you Lord!
BEC: 73, 77! Thank you Lord! and WTB
REG: 71, 82! Thank you Lord! and A71
FAR: 72, 78! Thank you God and my Mommy in Heaven!CPA Excel, Ninja Notes & Audio, Wiley Test Bank, CPAreviewforfree
February 21, 2014 at 6:50 pm #528239
teeteenounoucheMemberThanks Cricket, the more detailed the better 🙂
Florida:
AUD: 73, 81! Thank you Lord!
BEC: 73, 77! Thank you Lord! and WTB
REG: 71, 82! Thank you Lord! and A71
FAR: 72, 78! Thank you God and my Mommy in Heaven!CPA Excel, Ninja Notes & Audio, Wiley Test Bank, CPAreviewforfree
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