[Q1] FAR Study Group 2014 - Page 186

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  • #528225
    Zackrampage
    Member

    @sms and @crj, WTB sims are not even close to the exam. Becker sims are a good representation .

    FAR - 62 , End of aug 2015
    BEC - 67, 67
    AUD - TBD
    REG - TBD

    #528190
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @stoleway–What part of AR are you having trouble with? Bad debt?

    #528227
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @stoleway–What part of AR are you having trouble with? Bad debt?

    #528192
    stoleway
    Participant

    @cpamommy

    Yeah bad debt is one the crazy areas, I know the journal entries but I think I lack a little bit of conceptual knowledge about when to recognise bad debt.

    Do you debit bad debt and credit allowance for uncollectible account based on % of sales?

    Or do you debit allowance for uncollectible expense and credit AR ?

    Is the ending uncollectible balance the amount that has to carried forward to the next period or the amount that has to be deducted from current year AR to arrive at NRV receivables for the current.

    Let's get this down before I come out with my next question on note receivables:)

    REG -63│ 84!!
    BEC- 59│70│ 71 │78!
    AUD- 75!
    FAR- 87!

    Mass-CPA

    #528229
    stoleway
    Participant

    @cpamommy

    Yeah bad debt is one the crazy areas, I know the journal entries but I think I lack a little bit of conceptual knowledge about when to recognise bad debt.

    Do you debit bad debt and credit allowance for uncollectible account based on % of sales?

    Or do you debit allowance for uncollectible expense and credit AR ?

    Is the ending uncollectible balance the amount that has to carried forward to the next period or the amount that has to be deducted from current year AR to arrive at NRV receivables for the current.

    Let's get this down before I come out with my next question on note receivables:)

    REG -63│ 84!!
    BEC- 59│70│ 71 │78!
    AUD- 75!
    FAR- 87!

    Mass-CPA

    #528194
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    When recognizing Bad bebt you always debit Bad Debt Expense and credit Allowance for Doubtful (Uncollectible) accounts. You don't ever do anything to the actual A/R because that would change how much you show that the customer owes. That's why you use that contra account (ADA). However, when you write it off you are saying that you will never collect the money so you get rid of customer's A/R completely and you get rid of the estimated uncollectible amount that you previously booked for them because now it is all uncollectible. You don't ever do anything to expense during a write off because you have already recognized the expense when you estimated it as uncollectible.

    If you calculate the bad debt off of a percentage of sales then that is the amount of bad debt you book for the period. If you calculate the bad debt off of a percentage of A/R then you are only booking the difference between that calculation and the beginning Doubtful account balance. The best way I can explain that is sales are on the income statement, which is a specific period of time that has a starting point of zero and starts over at zero for each new period. So the calculation of bad debt is based on that period's activity only. A/R is on the balance sheet and fluctuates based on customer activity. It does not have a starting point of zero each period so you always have to factor in what you have already booked based on the balance at the end of the prior period.

    #528231
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    When recognizing Bad bebt you always debit Bad Debt Expense and credit Allowance for Doubtful (Uncollectible) accounts. You don't ever do anything to the actual A/R because that would change how much you show that the customer owes. That's why you use that contra account (ADA). However, when you write it off you are saying that you will never collect the money so you get rid of customer's A/R completely and you get rid of the estimated uncollectible amount that you previously booked for them because now it is all uncollectible. You don't ever do anything to expense during a write off because you have already recognized the expense when you estimated it as uncollectible.

    If you calculate the bad debt off of a percentage of sales then that is the amount of bad debt you book for the period. If you calculate the bad debt off of a percentage of A/R then you are only booking the difference between that calculation and the beginning Doubtful account balance. The best way I can explain that is sales are on the income statement, which is a specific period of time that has a starting point of zero and starts over at zero for each new period. So the calculation of bad debt is based on that period's activity only. A/R is on the balance sheet and fluctuates based on customer activity. It does not have a starting point of zero each period so you always have to factor in what you have already booked based on the balance at the end of the prior period.

    #528196
    rvcpa
    Member

    completely forgot oci was net of tax. -_-

    #528233
    rvcpa
    Member

    completely forgot oci was net of tax. -_-

    #528198
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @stoleway I hear you on the note receivables (ugh). I try to think of them like bonds which make more sense to me and hopefully you. But, regarding AR and AFDA (Accounts Receivable and Allowance for Doubtful Accounts) it depends which method you're using. I've outlined it below and hope it helps!

    Percentage of Sales:

    -If you take a percentage of sales approach (think credit sales) you will take the % of of credits sales estimated to be uncollectable and multiply it by credit sales. This amount will be you Bad Debt Expense. The JE is:

    Dr. Bad Debt Expense

    Cr. AFDA

    *Note the balance in any AFDA account is ignored, you just increase the AFDA account and the offset to Bad Debt Expense based on the above % x credit sales = bad debt expense. AFDA is a balance sheet account so it will carry forward to the next period. It's a contra-asset account so AR on the financials will be presented ‘net' of AFDA.

    Percentage of Receivables Method

    -If you take the percentage of receivables method this is where you use AR aging. This practice is most often used. If a problem says 2% of outstanding AR over 60 days is uncollectable and the balance in the over 60 day ‘bucket' of AR is $1,000 you would book:

    Dr. Bad Debt Expense for 20

    Cr. AFDA 20

    The entry above is reducing AR using AFDA as a contra-asset account. It is not writing off the AR from the records. Let's say you had an invoice for $17 that you determined was uncollectable then you would write off that AR:

    Dr. AFDA 17

    Cr. AR 17

    The debit to AFDA allows you do credit the AR off your records.

    Recovery

    -Let's say you wrote that $17 AR and your customer says they'll actually pay you. Well gosh darn it, you wrote it off! No worries, you'll just reinstate AR and then collect as normal =)

    Dr. AR 17

    Cr. AFDA 17

    Dr. Cash 17

    Cr. AR 17

    The AFDA is a balance sheet account so it's rolling. In the next period it will get adjusted as the aging and bad debt expense changes.

    Just to note the Direct Write-off is NOT GAAP because it violates the matching principle. When you deem AR uncollectable you simply:

    Dr. Bad Debt Expense

    Cr. AR

    #528235
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @stoleway I hear you on the note receivables (ugh). I try to think of them like bonds which make more sense to me and hopefully you. But, regarding AR and AFDA (Accounts Receivable and Allowance for Doubtful Accounts) it depends which method you're using. I've outlined it below and hope it helps!

    Percentage of Sales:

    -If you take a percentage of sales approach (think credit sales) you will take the % of of credits sales estimated to be uncollectable and multiply it by credit sales. This amount will be you Bad Debt Expense. The JE is:

    Dr. Bad Debt Expense

    Cr. AFDA

    *Note the balance in any AFDA account is ignored, you just increase the AFDA account and the offset to Bad Debt Expense based on the above % x credit sales = bad debt expense. AFDA is a balance sheet account so it will carry forward to the next period. It's a contra-asset account so AR on the financials will be presented ‘net' of AFDA.

    Percentage of Receivables Method

    -If you take the percentage of receivables method this is where you use AR aging. This practice is most often used. If a problem says 2% of outstanding AR over 60 days is uncollectable and the balance in the over 60 day ‘bucket' of AR is $1,000 you would book:

    Dr. Bad Debt Expense for 20

    Cr. AFDA 20

    The entry above is reducing AR using AFDA as a contra-asset account. It is not writing off the AR from the records. Let's say you had an invoice for $17 that you determined was uncollectable then you would write off that AR:

    Dr. AFDA 17

    Cr. AR 17

    The debit to AFDA allows you do credit the AR off your records.

    Recovery

    -Let's say you wrote that $17 AR and your customer says they'll actually pay you. Well gosh darn it, you wrote it off! No worries, you'll just reinstate AR and then collect as normal =)

    Dr. AR 17

    Cr. AFDA 17

    Dr. Cash 17

    Cr. AR 17

    The AFDA is a balance sheet account so it's rolling. In the next period it will get adjusted as the aging and bad debt expense changes.

    Just to note the Direct Write-off is NOT GAAP because it violates the matching principle. When you deem AR uncollectable you simply:

    Dr. Bad Debt Expense

    Cr. AR

    #528200
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    oh wow, that didn't' appear that as such a long post when I was typing….sorry that it takes up so much space.

    #528237
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    oh wow, that didn't' appear that as such a long post when I was typing….sorry that it takes up so much space.

    #528202

    Thanks Cricket, the more detailed the better 🙂

    Florida:
    AUD: 73, 81! Thank you Lord!
    BEC: 73, 77! Thank you Lord! and WTB
    REG: 71, 82! Thank you Lord! and A71
    FAR: 72, 78! Thank you God and my Mommy in Heaven!

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    #528239

    Thanks Cricket, the more detailed the better 🙂

    Florida:
    AUD: 73, 81! Thank you Lord!
    BEC: 73, 77! Thank you Lord! and WTB
    REG: 71, 82! Thank you Lord! and A71
    FAR: 72, 78! Thank you God and my Mommy in Heaven!

    CPA Excel, Ninja Notes & Audio, Wiley Test Bank, CPAreviewforfree

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