Becker simulation R3 question. please HELP!

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  • #182866
    youngstyle
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    I have a few questions on Becker simulation.

    Jones, Mitchell, Carey, and Gorman are knowledgeable about landscape design. They have decided to pool their knowledge and resources to form Arrington Enterprises, Inc., a C corporation. They will provide professional services to area businesses and homeowners. All participants expect to work full time for Arrington Enterprises, and each expects to contribute sufficient assets to become a 25% shareholder with a total stock equity of $50,000 each.

    In addition to the skills that each brings to the new entity, the owners will contribute assets that will enhance the company’s ability to provide quality technical design and planning services. These assets include a building, land, lawn care equipment, office furniture and equipment, and cash for initial operating expenses.

    The table below shows the assets contributed by each shareholder. In all cases, the liabilities are recourse and are assumed by Arrington Enterprises, Inc. There are no tax avoidance purposes inherent in the assumption of shareholder liabilities.

    Shareholder contributions to Arrington Enterprises.Inc

    Jones $120,000 $60,000 $100,000 $0 $10,000

    Mitchell $ 80,000 $50,000 $40,000 $20,000 $0

    Carey $40,000 $20,000 $20,000 $30,000 $0

    Gorman $70,000 $0 $50,000 $0 $20,000

    *the first number: Noncash property contributed (FMV)

    the second number: Liability associated with property

    the third number: Basis in noncash property contributed

    the fourth number: Cash contributed

    the fifth number: Cash distributed to shareholder

    So the first question is

    What is Jones’ tax basis in shares?

    The answer is $40,000.

    But here is what I think.

    Jones contributed $100,000 basis in property with haas $ 600,000 liability attached to it

    so his basis is $40,000 ( this is how Becker got their answer). However, the corporation distributed $10,000.

    His basis should be $30,000 since he received boot when contributing the property.

    My second question is

    What is corporation tax basis for assets that Mitchell and Carey transferred in.

    .

    So for Mitchell, even though the liability assumed by corporation was greater than the basis of Mitchell’s property,

    she also contributed cash of $20,000, which makes the corporation basis of $60,000. but the answer is $40,000

    Also for Carey, the basis of Carey’s property was $20,000 and the cash contributed was $30,000. I believe the tax basis of the corporation should be $50,000. but the answer is $20,000

    For both Mitchell and Carey, the corporation did not take the cash contributed by Mitchell and Carey into the answer.

    I know it is a very long question. Please someone help me out..I thought I was pretty much ready but this is killing

    my confidence!!

     
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  • #501679
    youngstyle
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    ah..the chart that I made up there is kinda messed up.

    It's Becker simulation R3.1 and 3.2

    if you copy and paste a part of the question, you will find many people have put up the question

    but there is not one clear answer…

    #501741
    youngstyle
    Member

    ah..the chart that I made up there is kinda messed up.

    It's Becker simulation R3.1 and 3.2

    if you copy and paste a part of the question, you will find many people have put up the question

    but there is not one clear answer…

    #501681
    PJJW90810
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    The chart you have is a bit confusing. Can you separate the descriptions by a – or / and then I can maybe help you.

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    #501743
    PJJW90810
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    The chart you have is a bit confusing. Can you separate the descriptions by a – or / and then I can maybe help you.

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    #501683
    youngstyle
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    I know it's still confusing..but I hope that is more understandable.

    or this is the link to the chart

    https://www.cpanet.com/cpa_forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21247

    your help will be very appreciated…..!

    #501745
    youngstyle
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    I know it's still confusing..but I hope that is more understandable.

    or this is the link to the chart

    https://www.cpanet.com/cpa_forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21247

    your help will be very appreciated…..!

    #501685
    PJJW90810
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    Jones Tax Basis in Stocks:

    VALUE OF STIOCK RECEIVED: 50k (stock worth received) + 60k (liability assumed) + 10k (cash/bot received) = 120k

    REALIZED GAIN: 120k – 100k (adjusted basis) = 20k gain

    RECOGNIZED GAIN: 10k (lesser of realized gain or boot received)

    JONES TAX BASIS: 100k (adjusted basis) + 10k (gain) – 10k (boot received) – 60k (liabilities assumed) = 40k

    Note for recognized gain purposes liabilities assumed are not considered boot received unless they are in excess of the adjusted basis. If you need clarification, I can show you an example. Lmk.

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    #501747
    PJJW90810
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    Jones Tax Basis in Stocks:

    VALUE OF STIOCK RECEIVED: 50k (stock worth received) + 60k (liability assumed) + 10k (cash/bot received) = 120k

    REALIZED GAIN: 120k – 100k (adjusted basis) = 20k gain

    RECOGNIZED GAIN: 10k (lesser of realized gain or boot received)

    JONES TAX BASIS: 100k (adjusted basis) + 10k (gain) – 10k (boot received) – 60k (liabilities assumed) = 40k

    Note for recognized gain purposes liabilities assumed are not considered boot received unless they are in excess of the adjusted basis. If you need clarification, I can show you an example. Lmk.

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    #501687
    PJJW90810
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    C Corps basis for Mitchell's contribution:

    VALUE OF STOCK RECEIVED: 50k (stock worth) + 50k (liabilities assumed) = 100k

    REALIZED GAIN: 100k – 60k ( adjusted basis plus cash contributed)

    RECOGNIZED GAIN: 0 (lesser of realized or boot received). In this case there is no boot received. Liabilities assumed are not considered boot unless they are in excess of basis. Like I mentioned in the first answer. 50k < 60k (adjusted basis)

    C CORPS BASIS: Basis to Mitchell plus any gain RECOGNIZED. In this case, it's

    40k (basis) + 0 (recognized gain) = 40k

    The cash contributed is not taken into account to calculate C Corp basis again unless liabilities assumed is greater than adjusted basis. In which case the cash contributed will already be incorporated per se in the gain that you would recognize and add to the C corp basis

    For Carey it's the same theory as Mitchell.

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    #501749
    PJJW90810
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    C Corps basis for Mitchell's contribution:

    VALUE OF STOCK RECEIVED: 50k (stock worth) + 50k (liabilities assumed) = 100k

    REALIZED GAIN: 100k – 60k ( adjusted basis plus cash contributed)

    RECOGNIZED GAIN: 0 (lesser of realized or boot received). In this case there is no boot received. Liabilities assumed are not considered boot unless they are in excess of basis. Like I mentioned in the first answer. 50k < 60k (adjusted basis)

    C CORPS BASIS: Basis to Mitchell plus any gain RECOGNIZED. In this case, it's

    40k (basis) + 0 (recognized gain) = 40k

    The cash contributed is not taken into account to calculate C Corp basis again unless liabilities assumed is greater than adjusted basis. In which case the cash contributed will already be incorporated per se in the gain that you would recognize and add to the C corp basis

    For Carey it's the same theory as Mitchell.

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    #501689
    PJJW90810
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    Here's a theorhetical example that will hopefully put all this into perspective.

    Assume the stock is now just worth 30k and liabilities assumed by C corp 40k. Adjusted basis of property and cash contributed is 30k.

    REALIZED GAIN: 70k – 40k = 30k

    RECOGNIZED GAIN: 10k (liabilities assumed in excess of basis 40k – 30k = 10k)

    BASIS OF S/H: 30k (adjusted basis) + 10k (recognized gain) – 40k (liabilities assumed) = 0

    BASIS OF C CORP: 30k (adjusted basis) + 10k (recognized gain) = 40k

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    #501752
    PJJW90810
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    Here's a theorhetical example that will hopefully put all this into perspective.

    Assume the stock is now just worth 30k and liabilities assumed by C corp 40k. Adjusted basis of property and cash contributed is 30k.

    REALIZED GAIN: 70k – 40k = 30k

    RECOGNIZED GAIN: 10k (liabilities assumed in excess of basis 40k – 30k = 10k)

    BASIS OF S/H: 30k (adjusted basis) + 10k (recognized gain) – 40k (liabilities assumed) = 0

    BASIS OF C CORP: 30k (adjusted basis) + 10k (recognized gain) = 40k

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    #501691
    mjp44
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    @PJJW…For Carey, why do you subtract out the 40k for liabilities assumed when calculating basis? It is already taken out of the adjusted basis. It appears it is taken out twice? Also, the calculation for realized gain = Value of stock received (70k) – the greater of basis in property (30k) or liabilities assumed (40K) correct?

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    #501754
    mjp44
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    @PJJW…For Carey, why do you subtract out the 40k for liabilities assumed when calculating basis? It is already taken out of the adjusted basis. It appears it is taken out twice? Also, the calculation for realized gain = Value of stock received (70k) – the greater of basis in property (30k) or liabilities assumed (40K) correct?

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    #501693
    PJJW90810
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    For Carey

    VALUE OF STOCK RECEIVED: 50k + 20k (liabilities assumed) = 70k

    REALIZED GAIN: 70k – 50k (adjusted basis 30k + 20k cash) = 20k gain

    RECOGNIZED GAIN: 0 because no boot received and and liabilities assumed is not greater than adjusted basis. 20k < 50k

    Therefore, basis of C Corp is just the adjusted basis of 20k. There is no recognized gain to add nor do you add the cash. See last not in example for Mitchell.

    REALIZED GAIN is just the (valuation of stock + liabilities assumed + cash distributed) LESS (adjusted basis of property contributed + cash contributed)

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