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February 19, 2019 at 2:04 pm #2224126slickrickParticipant
Has AICPA ever said why a candidate doesn’t receive their scores right after testing?
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February 19, 2019 at 2:08 pm #2224138ReckedParticipant
It's 100% not because there is a curve. I repeat NOT because there is a curve.
I think the official explanation is so that they can “statistically validate the scores”. But its not a curve.
The questions are assigned a certain number of points based on difficulty, which is determined presumably by how many people get it correct or incorrect.
I imagine if too many people fail the test they can adjust the individual weights of the questions to meet desired statistical goals.
But what do I know…February 19, 2019 at 3:18 pm #2224240DDylanParticipant“The questions are assigned a certain number of points based on difficulty, which is determined presumably by how many people get it correct or incorrect.
I imagine if too many people fail the test they can adjust the individual weights of the questions to meet desired statistical goals.”—the process you described sounds like a curve tho
February 19, 2019 at 3:33 pm #2224309slickrickParticipantTHIS LEAVES ONE TO BELEIVE THAT SOMETHING FISHY IS GOING ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. @ RECKED…SO BASICALLY IF EVERYONE TANKED THE TEST, THEN THE AICPA WOULD HAVE TO ADJUST EVERYONE UP TO PASSING, RIGHT?
February 19, 2019 at 4:55 pm #2224384ReckedParticipantsense the sarcasm in my post?
if everyone tanked, approximately 40-50% would probably still pass, LOLFebruary 19, 2019 at 5:04 pm #2224396turo9992000ParticipantThey say that the test is always the same difficulty and that if some quarters have a higher pass rate it is because those candidates were better prepared.
February 19, 2019 at 9:05 pm #2224678RoseMarieParticipantOne reason is because Prometric still has to submit the tests to the AICPA which can take up to 24 hours according to the score release pages notes. Also while they may not call it a curve, I personally believe if everyone was failing, especially after major changes like the recent REG changes, then they would do some adjusting of weights or throw out questions that most people missed or something.
February 20, 2019 at 9:29 am #2225118DMParticipantThere is a major historical component to the exam. IMO, old questions are recycled to serve as a baseline for each exam and these questions are expected to be answered correctly for a CPA candidate. If everyone fails, then everyone fails. The older questions are “locked” with point value; more point value in the harder testlets. There is no curve. Once a new question is tested over and over, and reaches a statistical measure the AICPA is happy with then that question will be expected to be answered correctly by CPA candidates.
I think the test grading goes like this; everyone starts at a “75”. If you ace the medium testlet, then you have a chance to improve on the “75” in the harder testlet. You can still hurt yourself in the harder testlets, but not as bad as the medium testlets. If you get medium testlet questions wrong, then you are below the pass threshold. IMO, the short answer is heavily weighted based on that testing period's responses. If you stay in the “medium testlets” then your short answer is very important to pass and may be the difference. I think the harder testlets are worth much more in point value and short answer is not that important to overall score. There is a reason that short answer is at the end of the exam. I think MCQ is make or break.February 20, 2019 at 9:55 am #2225142DMParticipantCPA candidates are tested against the material, not each other. The AICPA regulates the questions on the exams to what is expected to be known by the CPA candidate. So you are going against a benchmark, not the other test takers. The AIPCA can control the pass rates by regulating the benchmark.
February 20, 2019 at 10:27 am #2225217slickrickParticipant@ DM…..You present an interesting theory on the scoring process.
February 20, 2019 at 10:48 am #2225244BrokenglassParticipantI got all of this info from the rogercpareview website. So first know that there are pretest questions on each of the four sections, which include 12 pretest MCQs and 1 pretest simulation. For BEC, one of the written communication is also a pretest. So for all sections 12 MCQ and 1 simulation (and 1 WC for BEC) aren't considered in grading.
That alone explains why you never know how well you did on an exam.
The first testlet is always medium difficulty. If you do well, the second testlet will be hard difficulty. If you do poorly, the second teslet will stay at medium difficulty. This only applies to MCQ. More weight is assigned to harder MC questions, so you get more points for each hard question you get right.
For BEC, the WC are graded by a computer program. If it determines that you passed, then you are given a specific score based on additional review by an actual person.February 20, 2019 at 12:08 pm #2225340Steven KParticipantThere is a lot of conspiracy that the AICPA does this in order to properly weigh the questions to achieve pass rates around the 50% range. However, I am not sure if I agree with this. One thing I will say, and I'm not sure if this is still relevant, is because they have to manually evaluate scores that are close.
I had a professor in undergrad who used to grade the CPA exam back when it was still on paper. He said that although most people believe the AICPA wants you to fail, this is actually not the case. He told my class that if you got a 75 on the exam, you probably actually scored around a 71 or 72. This is because if you were that close to passing, the AICPA would manually review your score and try to give you as many points as possible for the SIMS. Again, not sure if this has drastically changed since the exam is now done online however, this advice did come from someone who used to sit behind those closed doors.February 20, 2019 at 12:21 pm #2225349jombeParticipant1. It's pretty shady how the exams are graded, since no one can explain black & white how they are graded.
2. It's the freaking gov't. It's like most gov't entities use technologies from a decade or two ago. I just got exposed to the world of sales tax at my new position and where I file my company's sales tax is a joke. The interface looks soooo old. A few jurisdictions even require me to submit IN PAPER. It's one of those thin carbon copy ones. Lol.FAR - 94 (10/4/15), Local Prep Online Lectures, BISK & NINJA MCQ
AUD - 99 (1/19/16), Local Prep Online Lectures, BISK & NINJA MCQ
REG - 96 (4/19/16), Local Prep Online Lectures, BISK & NINJA MCQ
BEC - 91 (7/19/16), Local Prep Online Lectures, BISK & NINJA MCQ581 days of listening to lectures, reading texts & 10,000+ MCQs...
February 20, 2019 at 6:01 pm #222594912tangParticipantI firmly believe one of the major reasons why they don't release scores sooner is because it's one more aspect to the game of obtaining a CPA licensure that keeps candidates crapping in their pants… They love to keep candidates sweating, miserable and hungry for more abuse…
Using Becker self-study
FAR: (82) 175 hours - 1st attempt
BEC: (XX)
AUD: (69) 45hrs of study - 1st attempt
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