Mary Jane and CPA - Page 2

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  • #183303
    san4596
    Member

    I was just looking at my Fidelity account, which is currently around 29.02% return for the 2014. The reason for my return is due to some investments in a State Legal/Federally Illegal substance called Marijuana. Specifically, tickers MJNA, HEMP, and PHOT.

    I personally do not partake due to it being illegal in both my state as well as federally. My query is for thoughts on those living in Colorado and Washington. Given that it is legal within the state, I do not see the state board having any issues. However, I would assume the AICPA would have a huge problem with CPAs in Colorado and Washington visiting with Mary Jane on the weekend. Let’s also assume these CPAs work for small local firms within the state, and not nation-wide company’s. I have already read stories of employees who use it for medical reasons being fired by national companies following federal laws.

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    For the life of me I still cannot figure out why the undeniable destroyer of lives, alcohol, is legal and the other is still an uphill battle to pass legalization legislation – at a minimum for medical purposes.

    On the positive side, if you live in either of the two states you are now open to a new market in need of services. However, I recently read that there is a gray area involved with Federal banks not being able to open business accounts for a Federally illegal activity. Therefore, nearly all of these businesses are having to keep large amounts of cash on hand. The fear is that the Cartels and organized crime (i.e. money laundering) will begin to take over the market simply based on this. Accounting nightmare? I think so.

    "If you're going through hell, keep going"
    - Winston Churchill

    "I've missed over 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost over 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot, and missed. I've failed, over and over and over again in my life. And that is why, I succeed."
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    AUD: 78
    REG: (74), 91
    FAR: (71)

    #507624
    Texas CPA
    Participant

    I used to be the controller for a small company of about 80 employees. We made concrete products and we had a zero tolerance policy for drugs. If you failed a drug test, you were fired. We did not do random drug tests on most employees except for truck drivers which was mandated by DOT. We did drug tests in the case of a workplace injury or accident. If you tested positive, you were fired.

    We really did not care what people did on the weekends but unlike alcohol, drugs stay in the system for a long time. Coke and such drugs 3-5 days, marijuana up to 30 days.

    When I asked if a drug test could tell me when someone used the drug, I was told no. There was no way to tell if someone smoked on the way to work or last Friday night.

    We had to fire people because if they got injured or injured someone else and tested positive again, we would lose our ass in court and maybe even lose the protection of workers comp as keeping a known drug user on the payroll could be seen as gross negligence.

    The same was true for alchol, which is legal.

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    Aud - Passed 86 May 2013 - Becker
    BEC - Passed 88 Aug 2013 - Becker
    FAR - Passed 88 Nov 2013 - Becker

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    #507675
    Texas CPA
    Participant

    I used to be the controller for a small company of about 80 employees. We made concrete products and we had a zero tolerance policy for drugs. If you failed a drug test, you were fired. We did not do random drug tests on most employees except for truck drivers which was mandated by DOT. We did drug tests in the case of a workplace injury or accident. If you tested positive, you were fired.

    We really did not care what people did on the weekends but unlike alcohol, drugs stay in the system for a long time. Coke and such drugs 3-5 days, marijuana up to 30 days.

    When I asked if a drug test could tell me when someone used the drug, I was told no. There was no way to tell if someone smoked on the way to work or last Friday night.

    We had to fire people because if they got injured or injured someone else and tested positive again, we would lose our ass in court and maybe even lose the protection of workers comp as keeping a known drug user on the payroll could be seen as gross negligence.

    The same was true for alchol, which is legal.

    Reg - Passed 82 Nov 2012 - Becker
    Aud - Passed 86 May 2013 - Becker
    BEC - Passed 88 Aug 2013 - Becker
    FAR - Passed 88 Nov 2013 - Becker

    https://www.becker.com/cpa-review

    Texas CPA

    #507626
    san4596
    Member

    Ron – That is a great point! What is an anccountant to do? Simple for now. These businesses will be able to file a State tax return, but will not be able to file a Federal tax return due to the illegality of the business itself. These companies have armed gards to protect their product and money on hand. Talk about petty cash right! However, I do see a possible solution to the bank account issue for these companies. They should check with local Credit Unions that are State Chartered, and are not insured by the FDIC. There is another insurance company that insures State Chartered Credit Unions. Only State Chartered Credit Unions have the ability to change insurance providers. A Federal Chartered Credit Union always has “FCU” in the name, and State Chartered only has the “CU” in the name.

    CPA EXAM: DONE!!!!
    Ethics Course: Passed
    Application Mailed: 3/16/15
    Professional Conduct Exam: 97
    Certification Date: 4/2/15!!!

    #507677
    san4596
    Member

    Ron – That is a great point! What is an anccountant to do? Simple for now. These businesses will be able to file a State tax return, but will not be able to file a Federal tax return due to the illegality of the business itself. These companies have armed gards to protect their product and money on hand. Talk about petty cash right! However, I do see a possible solution to the bank account issue for these companies. They should check with local Credit Unions that are State Chartered, and are not insured by the FDIC. There is another insurance company that insures State Chartered Credit Unions. Only State Chartered Credit Unions have the ability to change insurance providers. A Federal Chartered Credit Union always has “FCU” in the name, and State Chartered only has the “CU” in the name.

    CPA EXAM: DONE!!!!
    Ethics Course: Passed
    Application Mailed: 3/16/15
    Professional Conduct Exam: 97
    Certification Date: 4/2/15!!!

    #507628
    Skynet
    Participant

    I only visit Mary Jane when I'm not saving the world as Spiderman.

    #507679
    Skynet
    Participant

    I only visit Mary Jane when I'm not saving the world as Spiderman.

    #507630
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    If you have a client with an illegal drug business, they better file a 1040 and report the income. That is how the IRS got Capone. He didn't file a tax return and claim the income from his illegal activities. Tax evasion is illegal and you go to jail for it.

    Illegal activities. Income from illegal activities, such as money from dealing illegal drugs, must be included in your income on Form 1040, line 21, or on Schedule C or Schedule C-EZ (Form 1040) if from your self-employment activity.

    https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch12.html

    A taxpayer cannot deduct, as a legitimate medical expense, medical marijuana on a federal return.

    Controlled Substances

    You cannot include in medical expenses amounts you pay for controlled substances (such as marijuana, laetrile, etc.), even if such substances are legalized by state law. Such substances are not legal under federal law and cannot be included in medical expenses.

    Illegal Operations and Treatments

    You cannot include in medical expenses amounts you pay for illegal operations, treatments, or controlled substances

    whether rendered or prescribed by licensed or unlicensed practitioners.

    https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p502.pdf

    Given the amount a CPA had in their possession, and whether or not they crossed state lines with it, a CPA license would be their last concern if they were caught.

    Federal Trafficking Penalties for Marijuana, Hashish and Hashish Oil, Schedule I Substances

    Marijuana:

    less than 50 kilograms marijuana (but does not include 50 or more marijuana plants regardless of weight)

    1 to 49 marijuana plants

    First Offense: Not more than 5 yrs. Fine not more than $250,000, $1 million if other than an individual.

    Second Offense: Not more than 10 yrs. Fine $500,000 if an individual, $2 million if other than individual.

    And Federal law trumps State law when the two conflict.

    SUBCHAPTER I — CONTROL AND ENFORCEMENT

    Part F — General Provisions

    §903. Application of State law

    No provision of this subchapter shall be construed as indicating an intent on the part of the Congress to occupy the field in which that provision operates, including criminal penalties, to the exclusion of any State law on the same subject matter which would otherwise be within the authority of the State, unless there is a positive conflict between that provision of this subchapter and that State law so that the two cannot consistently stand together.

    https://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ftp3.shtml

    Here is the regulation regarding banks accepting deposits:

    12 CFR 21.11 Suspicious Activity Report.

    (a) Purpose and scope. This section ensures that national banks file a Suspicious Activity Report when they detect a known or suspected violation of Federal law or a suspicious transaction related to a money laundering activity or a violation of the Bank Secrecy Act. This section applies to all national banks as well as any Federal branches and agencies of foreign banks licensed or chartered by the OCC.

    https://www.occ.gov/topics/compliance-bsa/bsa/bsa-regulations/index-bsa-regulations.html

    The moral of this story is don't do drugs, regardless of which state you live in and make sure your clients report the income from illegal activities, or better yet, don't do tax returns for someone you know is dealing drugs. Just my .02 worth.

    #507681
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    If you have a client with an illegal drug business, they better file a 1040 and report the income. That is how the IRS got Capone. He didn't file a tax return and claim the income from his illegal activities. Tax evasion is illegal and you go to jail for it.

    Illegal activities. Income from illegal activities, such as money from dealing illegal drugs, must be included in your income on Form 1040, line 21, or on Schedule C or Schedule C-EZ (Form 1040) if from your self-employment activity.

    https://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch12.html

    A taxpayer cannot deduct, as a legitimate medical expense, medical marijuana on a federal return.

    Controlled Substances

    You cannot include in medical expenses amounts you pay for controlled substances (such as marijuana, laetrile, etc.), even if such substances are legalized by state law. Such substances are not legal under federal law and cannot be included in medical expenses.

    Illegal Operations and Treatments

    You cannot include in medical expenses amounts you pay for illegal operations, treatments, or controlled substances

    whether rendered or prescribed by licensed or unlicensed practitioners.

    https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p502.pdf

    Given the amount a CPA had in their possession, and whether or not they crossed state lines with it, a CPA license would be their last concern if they were caught.

    Federal Trafficking Penalties for Marijuana, Hashish and Hashish Oil, Schedule I Substances

    Marijuana:

    less than 50 kilograms marijuana (but does not include 50 or more marijuana plants regardless of weight)

    1 to 49 marijuana plants

    First Offense: Not more than 5 yrs. Fine not more than $250,000, $1 million if other than an individual.

    Second Offense: Not more than 10 yrs. Fine $500,000 if an individual, $2 million if other than individual.

    And Federal law trumps State law when the two conflict.

    SUBCHAPTER I — CONTROL AND ENFORCEMENT

    Part F — General Provisions

    §903. Application of State law

    No provision of this subchapter shall be construed as indicating an intent on the part of the Congress to occupy the field in which that provision operates, including criminal penalties, to the exclusion of any State law on the same subject matter which would otherwise be within the authority of the State, unless there is a positive conflict between that provision of this subchapter and that State law so that the two cannot consistently stand together.

    https://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ftp3.shtml

    Here is the regulation regarding banks accepting deposits:

    12 CFR 21.11 Suspicious Activity Report.

    (a) Purpose and scope. This section ensures that national banks file a Suspicious Activity Report when they detect a known or suspected violation of Federal law or a suspicious transaction related to a money laundering activity or a violation of the Bank Secrecy Act. This section applies to all national banks as well as any Federal branches and agencies of foreign banks licensed or chartered by the OCC.

    https://www.occ.gov/topics/compliance-bsa/bsa/bsa-regulations/index-bsa-regulations.html

    The moral of this story is don't do drugs, regardless of which state you live in and make sure your clients report the income from illegal activities, or better yet, don't do tax returns for someone you know is dealing drugs. Just my .02 worth.

    #507632
    mystical guy
    Member

    Eventually the AICPA will probably come up with audit plans for marijuana dealerships. I'll be more than happy to go and audit those stores to ensure they're complying with relevant laws and to verify the inventory is of standard quality 🙂

    CPA - Since 2015
    CISA - Smashed 2012
    CIA - Passed 2015

    #507683
    mystical guy
    Member

    Eventually the AICPA will probably come up with audit plans for marijuana dealerships. I'll be more than happy to go and audit those stores to ensure they're complying with relevant laws and to verify the inventory is of standard quality 🙂

    CPA - Since 2015
    CISA - Smashed 2012
    CIA - Passed 2015

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