BEC- Why the same pass rate as the other 3? - Page 2

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  • #161979
    Anonymous
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    I’m studying for BEC right now and plan to take it for the first time on Oct 23rd. Out of all 4 parts, this has to be the least tedious of the 4. While it certainly is not easy, I thought the other 3 parts were a lot harder because the materials on FAR, REG and AUD were not only more difficult, but the amount of material was A LOT more.

    So, I must ask, why does BEC have pretty much the same pass rate as the other three parts? What’s the catch? Are the questions on the real exam a lot harder? Is it more competitively graded, meaning there’s no curve?

    I ask this question because I want to know if I’m going to be hit with any surprises later on, such as… the exam might be a lot harder than I expected or my score will end up being a lot lower than I expected.

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    I don't know if anyone has said this already, but I think the reason why BEC has similar pass rates to the other three exams is just due to the fact that it isn't curved/weighted as heavily as the other exams.

    For instance, for my FAR exam I totally bombed the FAR sims due to not having enough time. I would bet that if the sims were graded without any scaling/curving, I wouldn't have gotten better than a 50-60% on them. With that being said, I still passed with a 78.

    Anyhow, to relate this to BEC, I just assume that they aren't going to give this much leeway on the writing portion of the exam, and possibly the same is true for the MCQs.

    AUD - 85
    FAR - 78 (lol@ FAR Sims)
    REG - 85
    BEC - August

    #303054
    Anonymous
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    After all the failing scores I got, I refuse to believe that the CPA exam is “curved.” If it were, I would’ve NEVER scored in the 50s and 60s. In college, I have taken some really difficult tests and when the instructor would give like a 10 point curve, it would help me immensely. I remember taking one Intermediate Accounting exam in college where I felt I bombed so badly. But because we got a 10 point curve, I ended up passing and ended up with a decent grade.

    The CPA exam, on the other hand, is graded based on the number of points you accumulate. The harder questions are worth A LOT more points. If all 3 of your testlets are medium difficult, you are not going to accumulate enough points to pass. And that is why I’ve failed in the past with 40s, 50s and 60s. If you do well in testlet 1 and your testlets 2 and 3 are difficult, you will accumulate a lot more points if you get difficult questions correct. Therefore, you will pass with flying colors. That is why I ended up with huge jumps in scores in FAR and AUD. In my past FAR exams, I got all medium testlets due to my poor performance on Testlet 1. Therefore, I bombed them. But then when I did well on testlet 1 on my last attempt and got harder testlets, I was getting more difficult questions correct and was able to accumulate more points. Therefore, I scored in the high 80.

    It is actually very hard or near impossible to pass these exams without getting difficult Testlets. And in order to get difficult testlets, you need to do very well in Testlet 1. And sometimes Testlet 1 isn’t very friendly, which was my experience with REG. So, when that happens, you’re screwed.

    So based on what Scruff said, my guess with BEC is that the questions are worth less points, so you probably need to get more questions right in order to accumulate enough points to pass. That's my guess.

    #303055
    RedRage00
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    I took FAR and BEC this last testing window. I felt FAR was more straightforward. The book was HUGE and I studied for 8 weeks , but the calculations and theory questions were pretty straightforward IMO.

    I only had 5 weeks for BEC and when I received the Wiley book in the mail I thought it was the wrong book because it was so THIN. It only had 8 modules compared to like 15 for FAR. I thought I had this exam in the bag! I studied the same way I studied FAR. Everyone talks about how much of a beast FAR is, but I scored higher on FAR than I did on BEC. BEC just has some weird off the walk questions. I'm glad I got by with a 78!

    Texas CPA
    Licensed, March 2012

    #303056

    @CPAMan – Curving and weighting a test are pretty much (although not exactly) the same in my opinion. Curving just involves throwing an added percentage or number of points onto the end of your exam. Weighting, on the other hand, is basically curving certain questions which are hard so that people will score higher than they normally would if they get the harder questions correct. Either way you look at it, the score you end up getting is not the score you would ‘deserve' to get if you simply scored the test by how many questions you got right or wrong.

    With this being said, the point I was trying to make earlier is that maybe the weighting of the individual questions is different for BEC than it is for FAR or REG. For example, maybe ‘hard' questions on FAR and REG are worth 3 points, but for BEC the hard questions are only worth 1.5 points. Obviously we don't know EXACTLY how the exams are scored, but I highly doubt that each individual exam uses the same exact weighting/curving values. Moreso, I find it hard to believe that all four tests usually fall within a 2-3% pass range from one another without there being some type of standardized curve that they throw into each test to make the pass rates roughly even out.

    Anyhow, that's just my opinion on the matter!

    AUD - 85
    FAR - 78 (lol@ FAR Sims)
    REG - 85
    BEC - August

    #303057
    Minimorty
    Participant

    Agree with Scruff. The exams are curved. Period. You can define a curve however you want and you can define the exam's scoring system however you want. Its a curve. I also agree its highly suspicious the passing rates are consistent from test to test and from quarter to quarter.

    @CPAMan – Even if you dont do that well on the first testlet, you could make up for it in the 2nd testlet. You can pass just as easily with a Median Hard Medium test as a Medium Medium Hard test.

    I think BEC is tricky because most people taking the exam are accounting majors and do not have a lot of exposure to Econ or valuation. The concepts involve both the memorization of formulas and the application of theory in the questions. You really have to have a good understanding of the concepts instead of just using the memorization techniques that get you through the other exams.

    I'll have a better sense after I take the Exam and I'll be sure to come back and expand on my thoughts.

    #303058
    Megan
    Participant

    Re: Teslet difficulty – I think most would agree that even though they say that the testlets are adaptive, the testlets on BEC are hard to gauge whether or not they're getting harder.

    BEC 52, 61, 74, 77
    AUD 80
    REG 75
    FAR 50, 60, 70, 74, 83...DONE!!
    ..Texas.. Baby #2 born 4/11/11

    #303059
    RedRage00
    Member

    I agree with Megan. I had no idea on BEC if the testlets were getting harder or not. For FAR, I knew they were getting harder because I remember wanting to jump off a bridge during my 2nd testlet. lol

    Texas CPA
    Licensed, March 2012

    #303060
    Anonymous
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    The AICPA said themselves that they do not curve the exams. In a way, I believe them. They actually weight it, which is a tad bit different than curving. Curving is basically throwing in an extra 10-20 points to your score. Weighting is when you get more points for getting the harder questions right. I guess Scruff is right in a way that it's the individual questions that are curved, not the entire exam. When I think of curve, I'm thinking + 10 points or something like that.

    But I still stand by what I said earlier that it's only difficult testlets that are curved. Medium testlets are not curved. So if you get all medium testlets, it is going to be near impossible to pass. I think those people who failed just by a few points (i.e 72-74) get harder testlets, but they missed by 1 or 2 questions. Every time I get all medium testlets, I almost always score in the 60s or below. When I failed FAR with a 73, that was the only time I failed and felt like the testlets got harder.

    When I took FAR and got that 89, that had to have been a HUGE curve because I was lost in the second testlet and was a bit puzzled in the third testlet as well. I knew I did well in Testlet 1, but I know I made A LOT of errors in the next two testlets. Though I was a bit more confident in my answers this time as opposed to the time I got that 73. So, a slightly better performance boosted that 73 to an 89. But in the past when I didn't get hard testlets due to my poor performance on the medium testlets, I would get in the 50s and 60s. The curve on those was very little to nothing. Same can be said about my REG exam.

    Trust me, I've taken this exam and failed many times and passed. When I failed, my scores look like they were trying to crush me when they were grading them. But when I passed, it seemed as though they curved the heck out of it and that's how I scored in the high 80s.

    I have a slight hunch that difficult questions are worth 2X or 3X more than the medium questions. Since medium testlets are not curved, you need to do well on that or else you will not get a hard testlet. If you don't do well, you will not get a hard testlet and will not be able to accumulate enough points. So, when you start your exam, you need to perform well. Now, if everyone were to automatically get hard testlets without having to do well on a medium testlet, THEN I would be jump up and say the exam is curved. But since you need to have a good performance in the medium testlet, that means you really need to know your stuff and do well in order to get rewarded with harder testlets that are worth more points.

    Anyways, sorry for rambling on. But I've taken these exams so many times and failed many times, probably more than 90% of the members here, lol. So, I have a sense on how competitive or lenient they grade these.

    #303061
    Minimorty
    Participant

    If the tests were strictly graded based on point accumulation, why not say, “There are 99 points available, you need to get 75 of them.”

    This is what I am gathering based on your above post:

    What you are saying is that Easy questions are worth 1, medium are worth 2, and hard are worth 3 (or however you want to assign points). You are saying that implicit in the weighing of the questions is a curve, but that overall the test is not curved. So as long as you answer enough questions right and accumulate enough points you will pass.

    This is what I am saying:

    BS. The exams are curved more than what you are describing.

    It seems we are just talking about the multiple choice questions as well. Do you also believe that the TBSs are based on point accumulation?

    #303062
    Anonymous
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    @Minimorty- The points you accumulate are not 99 points. The 0-99 are scores. The AICPA will take your points and convert them to the 0-99 scores. How many points do you need to pass and how many points are each question worth?? Only the AICPA knows and that's their big mystery.

    So if you think the CPA exam is curved more than I think, how big is the curve? 15 points? So that means my REG exam was supposed to have been a 49??? And that 47 I got in AUD a while back was supposed to have been a 32?? I

    #303063
    Megan
    Participant

    I think it's all based on how everyone else did relative to each other, and you are given a grade relative to other candidates. Kind of like a percentile assigned to a baby's height and weight, but not exactly. They do obviously compare us to other candidates from what we see on our diagnostic reports. So that leads to keeping their semi-consistent passing rates in check.

    BEC 52, 61, 74, 77
    AUD 80
    REG 75
    FAR 50, 60, 70, 74, 83...DONE!!
    ..Texas.. Baby #2 born 4/11/11

    #303064
    Megan
    Participant

    I also don't think curve always means a set number points added to your score.

    BEC 52, 61, 74, 77
    AUD 80
    REG 75
    FAR 50, 60, 70, 74, 83...DONE!!
    ..Texas.. Baby #2 born 4/11/11

    #303065
    Laura
    Participant

    BEC sucks…end of story…

    REG-80, 77, 77
    BEC-67, 68, 71, 67, 71, 74, 71, 74, 72, 77
    FAR- 72, 65,67, 53, 75 (truth be known the 53 was with 4 hours of studying)
    AUD-58, 62, 72, 74, 74, 75
    took 5 years but I'm DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #303066
    Minimorty
    Participant

    I am just suggesting that when the AICPA “converts” the accumulated points to a “score,” there is more going on than you think. This is one of the ways the AICPA is able to keep passing rates consistent among various tests and from quarter to quarter.

    I cant put a number on the curve and I have no idea how it would even work. All I am saying is that you are graded RELATIVE to how the other candidates do. This, to me, is a curve. Theoretically, you could have passed REG if more people had done poorly relative to how you did. While this “curve” generally helps, in theory it could hurt in certain circumstances where more people do better than you do.

    #303067
    Laura
    Participant

    How they score the exam is as secret as the KFC recipe or the original coca-cola recipe…. Who really knows; but I enjoy reading everyone's speculations.

    REG-80, 77, 77
    BEC-67, 68, 71, 67, 71, 74, 71, 74, 72, 77
    FAR- 72, 65,67, 53, 75 (truth be known the 53 was with 4 hours of studying)
    AUD-58, 62, 72, 74, 74, 75
    took 5 years but I'm DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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