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December 2, 2015 at 3:09 am #198723
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February 18, 2016 at 3:00 am #749465
AnonymousInactiveYep got it!
February 18, 2016 at 3:03 am #749466
stozzo88ParticipantQuick question, When do you include installation charges with the initial capital investment for depreciation purposes. I thought it was always included initially but after taking Becker final #2 maybe not. One question was to determine the yearly cash flows (this q excluded installation from capital investment to determine depr. tax shield) and the other was regarding payback (included installation with initial investment to determine depr. tax shield ). I may be burning out which could be the issue, just confused.
thanks
FAR- 1-18-2016- 82
BEC- 2-22-2016- 81
REG- 4-11-2016- 84
AUD- 5-17-2016- 86February 18, 2016 at 3:05 am #749467
monikerncParticipantWhat determines what you do is whether it is a payable or receivable. The interest rates are what they are. It is the buying or the borrowing that protects you.
FAR 7/25/15 76!
AUD 10/30/15 93
BEC 2/27/16 82
REG 5/23/16 88!
Ninja Book and MCQ and the forum - all the way!!!
and a little thing i like to call, time and effort!
if you want things to change, you have to do something differentFebruary 18, 2016 at 3:06 am #749468
stozzo88ParticipantAhh nvm folks, might help if I RTFQ. It must be the latter. BTW becker final #2 not so fun…
FAR- 1-18-2016- 82
BEC- 2-22-2016- 81
REG- 4-11-2016- 84
AUD- 5-17-2016- 86February 18, 2016 at 3:11 am #749469
jpowell31Participantthanks moniker. helps to have the payable example. it's easy to make a slip up there but it's really a timesaver more than anything. I'm going cross-eyed now staring at this computer. I've got to travel tomorrow (I live outside the US) so will listen to audio on repeat and rewrite formulas to give my eyes a break. Then I'll do the 30 flagged questions I have that will hopefully just keep things I find trickier/fear I'll forget out of sheer silliiness fresh in my mind two or three times and call it so that I'm not burnt out going into the exam. On ninja I'm trending at 98% but am still at an average below 70, which is worrying… I do know earlier on in studying when I'd burn out I'd end up skipping through actually answering all the lengthier math problems (and would just read the explanation, accept the wrong answer) just to get through the material once which probably didn't help my earlier averages!
I don't know if I get the question posed on the last page…was there info missing?
Happy studying everyone!
February 18, 2016 at 11:25 am #749470
monikerncParticipantjdpowell. safe travels today and good luck on your exam. that question was from a different source and it had s forward hedge rate to compare results to choose but it was more complex than any ninja question with that added.
i did it to see how a payable would be done. listening to audio and rewriting the formulas is a good idea. what sections will you take this round?FAR 7/25/15 76!
AUD 10/30/15 93
BEC 2/27/16 82
REG 5/23/16 88!
Ninja Book and MCQ and the forum - all the way!!!
and a little thing i like to call, time and effort!
if you want things to change, you have to do something differentFebruary 18, 2016 at 12:26 pm #749471
monikerncParticipantQuick set of 30 this morning. 90% 37 minutes. whew!
FAR 7/25/15 76!
AUD 10/30/15 93
BEC 2/27/16 82
REG 5/23/16 88!
Ninja Book and MCQ and the forum - all the way!!!
and a little thing i like to call, time and effort!
if you want things to change, you have to do something differentFebruary 18, 2016 at 8:14 pm #749472
MaLoTuParticipantJust a little rant … I got a 67 on BEC last time I took it due to not studying enough because I had way too many things on my plate. The biggest issue was I barely did any study of B3 (financial management). I am going through B3 now and it is a lot easier than cost accounting! I am really kicking myself for not taking more time with my last attempt. If I would have known then what I know now I probably would have passed! I am scared to find what they will through at me this time!
End rant.
February 18, 2016 at 9:36 pm #749473
jpowell31Participantso I know I'm panicking when I'm asking this question:
when calculating the effective interest rate, determining the available funds specifically… why is it sometimes we remove the interest due from the available funds and sometimes we don't…..
I'm scared I've just memorized all the different formats and how to get the right answer and now my brain is mingling everything together and blahhhhhhhhh
February 18, 2016 at 9:59 pm #749474
monikerncParticipanteffective interest calculation should take into account any compensating balance above the normal account balance and the interest earned on the compensating account balance. are you thinking about bonds issued between interest payment dates that are priced with the interest accrued taken into consideration?
ask a specific question.FAR 7/25/15 76!
AUD 10/30/15 93
BEC 2/27/16 82
REG 5/23/16 88!
Ninja Book and MCQ and the forum - all the way!!!
and a little thing i like to call, time and effort!
if you want things to change, you have to do something differentFebruary 18, 2016 at 10:10 pm #749475
monikerncParticipantMalotu – you will get it done this time. When do you take it?
FAR 7/25/15 76!
AUD 10/30/15 93
BEC 2/27/16 82
REG 5/23/16 88!
Ninja Book and MCQ and the forum - all the way!!!
and a little thing i like to call, time and effort!
if you want things to change, you have to do something differentFebruary 18, 2016 at 10:16 pm #749476
jpowell31Participanthere's an example where interest owed isn't included in determining cash available (it's also a good example to counter an example I posted a couple of pages ago that no one seemed to comment on as to why the discount wasn't taken into account at that time…while it is here obviously)….
Morton Company needs to pay a supplier's invoice of $50,000 and wants to take a cash discount of 2/10, net 40. The firm can borrow the money for 30 days at 12% per annum plus a 10% compensating balance.
Assuming Morton Company borrows the money on the last day of the discount period and repays it 30 days later, the effective interest rate on the loan is:
Morton Co. must borrow $54,444 ($49,000 plus compensating balance of 10% of loan). To calculate: $49,000 represents 90% of the loan. $49,000 ÷ .9 = $54,444.
Interest at 12% per annum on this amount for 30 days, totals:
•0.12 × (30 ÷ 360) × $54,444 = $544.44 * 12 months = 13.33% (ANSWER)The invoice total less the cash discount ($50,000 – 2%) is $49,000. This amount is used in this calculation because that is the amount required to pay the supplier's invoice and usable by the company.
February 18, 2016 at 10:45 pm #749477
monikerncParticipantYou are using the interest that will be owed,$544.44, on the 30 day loan to calculate the effective annual interest rate. The calculation that got you to the $544.44 took the discount amount and the compensating balance into consideration. Everything has been factored into the two calculations that eventually gave you the effective interest rate.
The first calculation gave you the loan amount, 54,444, based on the discounted amount to be paid and the compensating balance. The second calculation gave you the interest amount 544.44 on that loan for 30 days. The third calculation gave you the effective annual interest rate (544.44/49000) * 12 = 13.33%FAR 7/25/15 76!
AUD 10/30/15 93
BEC 2/27/16 82
REG 5/23/16 88!
Ninja Book and MCQ and the forum - all the way!!!
and a little thing i like to call, time and effort!
if you want things to change, you have to do something differentFebruary 18, 2016 at 11:07 pm #749478
jpowell31ParticipantI don't get why we aren't removing the interest owed from the available funds (i.e. remove the $544 from the $49k along with the compensating balance).
Let me rephrase by posting a different question:Find the effective interest rate on a $100k loan at 9% with a $10k compensating balance would be calculated as:
9% of $100,000 = 9,000 interest owed
available funds = 100k – 10k – 9k = 81k (why is the interest removed here and not in the example above)
effective interest rate = 9k/81k = 11%sorry if this isn't clear…I'm probably (and hopefully) just confusing myself.
February 18, 2016 at 11:11 pm #749479
monikerncParticipantIf your other question is the accounts receivable balance that equals $810,000. The accounts receivable balance is not reduced by the discounts available. The full amount owed is posted to the A/R account at time of sale. When customers pay that take the discount the full amount is credited from A/R and discounts taken is debited with cash. Your question suggests that they should on record sales in A/R at the discounted amount. That's not happening.
FAR 7/25/15 76!
AUD 10/30/15 93
BEC 2/27/16 82
REG 5/23/16 88!
Ninja Book and MCQ and the forum - all the way!!!
and a little thing i like to call, time and effort!
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