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September 4, 2017 at 12:35 pm #1620151
jeffKeymasterWelcome to the Q4 2017 CPA Exam Study Group for BEC. ๐
Introduce yourselves and let your fellow NINJAs know when you plan to take your BEC exam.
The Five Steps (NINJA Framework): https://www.another71.com/pass-the-cpa-exam/
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December 5, 2017 at 8:17 pm #1674667
TealParticipant@RB thanks for the help!! I will take a look at page 13 ๐
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BEC - October 3rdDecember 5, 2017 at 8:38 pm #1674671
jenpenParticipant@rencpa Thank you! The getting smaller for a larger PV is the key piece I was missing. Makes complete sense now. Appreciate it!
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December 5, 2017 at 11:32 pm #1674736
RBParticipantAnd she asks me to be her tutor if she needs more after this exam, once again Ren explains it very well.
Jen and everyone, let me try to dumb down the concept of PV and annuities for conceptual understanding.
Let's say we knew we could get a 10% return on every dollar we had. Well, a dollar today would be worth $1.10 a year from now, or, alternatively, a dollar a year from now would be worth “roughly” 90 cents today.
(I will show actual calculations in a minute but follow the concept). Since we could get about 10% if we had that today, 90 cents today is worth a dollar a year from now. So the “present value” of that dollar a year from now is roughly 90 cents, or a dollar 2 years from now is roughly worth 80 cents today.
That's present value, and thats PV factors, conceptually. So the PV factor 1 year from now is .90, 2 years is .80.
SO, if we knew we could get a 25% return on our dollar, “roughly”, a dollar today would be worth 1.25 a year from now, or alternatively a dollar a year from now would be worth (roughly) only 0.75C today, or a dollar 2 years from now is worth 0.50C today.In this simple form, at a 10% return we would have 1 year and 2 year PV factors of 0.90 and 0.80, and at a 25% return we would have 1 year and 2 year PV factors of 0.75 and 0.50. IE higher return (or WACC or IRR or various types of “discount” factors they may use) means lower PV in the future
The ACTUAL math is based on 1 / ( (1 + r) ^ n ), where r is the return like .10 or .14, and n is how many periods, IE 1 year, 2 year, etc. so with a 10% return our PV factor for the value today of money 1 year out is 1 / 1.10 = 0.909, or money today 2 years out is 1 / (1.10^2) or – 1 / (1.10 * 1.10) = 0.826, thats what the PV factor is. IE, if I knew I could make 10% on a dollar, and you offered me a dollar in 2 years, that's worth $0.826 dollars today in my mind.
(if it was 3 years is just 1 / (1.10 * 1.10 * 1.10), 4 years is the same, etc., multiplying the denominator just adds the idea of compounding, IE, $1 today is $1.10 next year, then we re-invest $1.10 and get 10% return on THAT principle instead of just the original dollar).ALL an annuity is is saying okay, so in this example we have a 10% return, well if we get the same amount at year 1 and year 2, the 2 year annuity factor here is literally adding the value of what we get in 1 year plus the (present) value of what we get in 2 years, so the 2 year annuity at 10% would be (0.909 + 0.826) = 1.736
If we had a 20% return instead, our discount factors would be 0.833 and 0.694, and 2 year annuity = 1.528
If we demand a higher return, money later is worth less today, so our PV or annuity factor is lower.
Does that add anything conceptually? If any of that math makes sense try running the numbers on a few problems, it can help make it click and make these PV factors alot less scary.
All an annuity factor is is saying you have the same exact payments each year. $1 a year from now, $1 2 years from now, etc. There is a more complicated annuity formula you DONT NEED TO KNOW; in the extremely unlikely event you needed to calculate an annuity factor, you can add up the PV factor for that rate of return for each period for however many periods it wants (Probably no more than 3-4).
Make sure you conceptually understand how PV works. This is a good problem for that conceptual piece, I would re-work this one once or twice before your exam and make sure you know why it works that way. Let me know if I can add more.
(PS, Teal – Page 12 ๐ )
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I'm not 100% sure what to say the best strategy is. I know becker did not prepare me for what I saw in regards to IT. But, Becker is also the gold standard here. So, maybe those IT were really pre-test questions? Becker says they've updated it for anything we are expected to be tested on, so I don't know? I did Wiley's free trial and went through their MCQ on IT 100% and I'm very glad I did, those were in the last 3 days, at a minimum I had exposure to a WHOLE LOT more terms that I never saw in Becker, so I had seen them and answered questions once.
“I Like it when…” says he used CPAreviewforfree for IT. I popped on to that but didnt really use it, I only saw it in crunch time. That sounds like a good recommendation if you have time.If you're facing an upcoming exam, definitely go through becker's IT. Get a sense of it, and maybe burn through the other materials like CPAreview above, and/or Wiley. I don't know what to tell you on IT strategy. I know I had 3 or 4 questions on 1 specific IT term out of the 100 some possible IT terms that could come up, but there is NO WAY I would have devoted my study time in advance to understanding every tiny piece of that obscure item.
So maybe Becker covered what we needed and the rest was pre-test? Or maybe Becker actually fell short? I don't know, and none of us ever will. (Well, unless this is the one section I horribly fail then I would blame Becker)
December 6, 2017 at 9:35 am #1674830
rencpaParticipantYes, I did ask you to be my tutor, RB ๐ I must finish my CPA journey! If I was not worry about my BEC, I would not ask you. BEC material is annoying me to no limit! I am strong with Audit, I am okay with Financial. I do not like Regulation. For sure, I know you can teach! ๐
Another print out with your explanation. You deserve a Christmas gift from us. Hope you are going to get rewarded with your score!
Reviewing IT and COSO today! Hope I will not fall asleep!
Good luck studying!
December 6, 2017 at 11:20 am #1674872
rencpaParticipantFor those who took the BEC exam. How much time did you allocate for Simulations? Just noticed that my instructor recommended 30 minutes for each simulation testlet. Do you think it is reasonable to finish 2 simulations in 30 minutes?
I planned on 45 minutes. That is much more than what she recommended.
December 6, 2017 at 11:31 am #1674883
RBParticipantI always write out my minimum time for each then desired time for each, prepare a “map”, and see if that leaves you the right amount of time.
30 minutes is probably okay, depends on your allocation. I gave myself I think 1:40 for MCQ and maybe 1:20 for total sims, minimum 1 hour for written.
1 half hour each is do-able, 40 minutes would be okay too. I don't remember my sims but I didn't find them overwhelming
December 6, 2017 at 11:45 am #1674908
rencpaParticipantThanks RB! Like your suggestion, “minimum time for each then desired time for each, prepare a โmap” This is a GREAT idea!
However, *I* plan to NOT give myself too much time for writing. My essays are going to be graded by a computer and against other candidates (?). NO way, I can compete against native speakers. But thank you for your advice.
December 6, 2017 at 12:18 pm #1674913
jenpenParticipant@rencpa I really wouldn't worry about not being a native speaker for the writing. Based on what I've seen in your posts and everything, you'll be fine! You write very well for this not being your native tongue. I am kind of a nerd and tend to correct people's grammar because it's a pet peeve of mine. I haven't noticed many errors at all in your writing. I mean, you write better than some people I know who are native English speakers. Be confident! You'll do great!
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December 6, 2017 at 12:34 pm #1674923
bobbyParticipantAwesome, thanks for the advice on IT!!
I don't take BEC until Jan 1, so I have plenty of time to work with it, just was curious if it was even necessary to do my best.
I plan on at least working through Becker with it and then giving additional consideration to Wiley and cpaexamreviewfree, or whatever its called.
December 6, 2017 at 1:02 pm #1674941
rencpaParticipantThank you, Jennifer. I am sure I will try my best.
Speaking about the Wiley's 2 weeks free trail, should I be able to watch the lectures? I would like to compare their IT lectures with Becker lectures.
I don't like how Becker organized the IT material. Questions are very often not covered with the material presented in the book.
December 6, 2017 at 1:25 pm #1674955
RBParticipantYou get 100% access in that trial, so yes you can get the videos! It is interesting their timetable for going through IT was like 40% of their content or something, definitely weighted higher than Becker has it.
Ren, I will also say, 15%, or 15 points is nothing to ignore, try your best and at least get 8-10 of those points so you have more flexibility elsewhere.
December 6, 2017 at 3:16 pm #1675028
rencpaParticipantRB… Something is wrong with my version. Let me check. Thank you for your reply.
I promise, I promise, I do promise… I will try to write in my native language lol Kidding, I will do my best. Thank you guys, Jennifer & RB, for trying to encourage me!
Hope you are going fine today, Jennifer.
December 6, 2017 at 3:17 pm #1675033December 6, 2017 at 3:35 pm #1675052
jenpenParticipantRen – I'm fine today. Just trying to push through the final day and solidify concepts in my head. I'm really just ready to for this to be over, and praying I've done enough to get me that lovely 75.
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FAR - 7/15/16
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December 6, 2017 at 6:45 pm #1675156
AnaParticipantI thought I saw an explanation of Sim 2 from the sample test on here, am I imagining things? I can't seem to find it now.
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