Blown away by Audit score!!!!!! - Page 5

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    MazyJane
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    I just recently got my exam score back from BEC, which I took on August 6th, 2014 and received the score on August the 26th. The earliest I was to receive the score was August 22nd. I lived with more psychological angst from the August 22nd-26th than most of my adult life. Like all the majority of the posters here, I received a failing score, not just a failing score – which I could understand, but a seventy-muth-fning-four, 74! I am still shocked and until several hours ago, I was debating on whether I should institute a regrading or an appeal. Well, after thoroughly reviewing both options, I decided they were both not financially practicable. Who has $200 to spend on regrading, besides, how do you even know if the AICPA regrades the exam, they probably do not, it probably is not even possible considering the AICPAs “magical” grading methodologies cannot be repeated. An appeal is the way to go – if you have the time and money to travel to Nashville, Tennessee and sit down with a AICPA representative. The cost is $500 up front and $100 per question/simulation chosen for an appeal. Oh, you also have to pay to fly, rent a car, stay somewhere, food, and other miscellaneous expenses. I calculated it would cost me around $5,000 to appeal the exam broken down as follows: initial $500 up front cost, approximately 30 multiple choice questions and 3 simulations at $100 per item – $3,300, traveling expenses $1,200.00! Not to mention, I would have to skip going on a ski vacation or cruise, just to meet the devil incarnate rep of the AICPA tasked with deceiving me even more. The real problem is that I cannot remember the specific question numbers and which tests contained those questions! I can only remember the gist of the questions. You have to tell them which testiest and question number you want to appeal, it cannot be a request for all failed questions, you have to choose which question you think you failed. I studied my ass off and deserved a passing score, but I received the highest failing score possible. My dad is a CPA and several years ago decided to make it my life to become one as well. I have earned a MAFM and a MBA in Finance, took the Becker CPA review and studied independently. I did not like the exam and I thought it skipped material that was covered heavily and more important to the CPA’s understanding of the business environment. Yet, the exam managed to have those non-review material questions riddled with ambiguity to the point of no answer definitely being correct or others being incorrect. In my opinion, that is why the CPA exam is difficult, ambiguity. The questions are written to force the answerer to make assumptions and subsequently, errors. You might be thinking what is my point. My point is something shady is going on at the AICPA!

    Why would the AICPA allow appeals but at prohibitively higher costs? The answer – no one studying for the CPA exam has tens of thousands of dollars to hire a lawyer and institute and appeal. You would be crazy to pay those cheats to cheat you again! Why are question so ambiguous and secretive? Is it not the exact same material with the exception of minor alterations for updates in accounting rules that has been around for decades. My dad’s accounting textbooks were not to different from my mine, except for color, pictures, diagrams and costs. Even if an appeal is instituted, how would you prove that the question was worded, stated, answered, and had the same potential answers as presented in the actual exam? You have no way to prove anything because you cannot bring anything in to the “high-security” test center but nervousness and hopefulness. I just loved being re-fingerprinted to leave the room, which was practically empty, as if someone was pretending to be me taking a break to use the bathroom for me! It took almost ten minutes, roundtrip, for the lady to get my fingerprint matched and for her to “accept” my signature – and that was without a line, god forbid other people are in line waiting to be screwed over by some Pro-metric employee pretending she cannot scan your fingerprint to keep your testing time marginalized for job security purposes.

    On top of all this the AICPA can do the following to you: if you pass the first test let with a good score, then you will get a harder test let worth more on a per question basis. If you do well again, the you get an even harder exam worth even more on a question by question basis. The best scores are automatically placed into the upper bell curve of the “rounding.” For those who perform poorly on the first test let, you are given an easier test-let, which is worth less on a per question basis. If you do bad again, it is an even easier exam, worth even less on per question basis. If the AICPA knows how well you did practically instantaneously to decide if you receive a more or less difficult test let, then why does it take 20+ days to received your final scores? It takes about 3 weeks because your scores and compared to all others taking the exam at that time and every question is graded psychometrically. Psychometrics is fancy way of “curving.” The highest score sets the top upper end of the curve and all other scores are scored downward. Just like an Organic Chemistry exam where the highest score of 52 out of 100 is an A+. If everyone does good and you do good, it is an average good. If you do good and everyone does bad, it is an above average good. If you do bad and everyone else does good, than it is a below average bad. It takes time to see who scored the highest from that testing period, what questions they were asked, what question they are going to decide to de-credit by saying they are only experimental questions to be used in future exams, which questions are only worth .5 instead of 2.0 because of difficulty – set by the percentage of correct and incorrect responses during that testing period, normalizing the pass-fail ratio, etc. Basically, there are so many legitimate ways for the AICPA to fail you, that you could pass with a super high score and end up with a failing grade because of after the fact “magical” scoring. All of which explains the approximate pass-fail ratio which only varies by very little from quarter to quarter on each exam, approximately 50-50. I found some of the other posts interesting that stated their beliefs in being failed for taking the test too late in the window, after a standard number of passing scores have already been achieved. If your a below average passing score, 75-84, then you might find your score curved to a 64-74. Bottom line – I believe that I passed and was denied a passing grade because of the “magical” scoring.

    If you do not think the AICPA denies passing grades even though you passed then you really should not be entering the field of accounting. Do you know that there are approximately 650,000 CPA’s in America for almost 330,000,000 Americans? Why are there so few CPA’s? The AICPA does not want 3 million CPA’s out there decreasing the scarcity of CPA’s, their exceptionally high wages and job security. Sure, not everyone needs a CPA, but 8% of Americans are millionaires, approximately 27,000,000 and countless businesses need hoards of CPAs merely to function day to day. The CPA credential is harder to attain than any other license and practically no one can deny that fact. I can remember meeting a lawyer at the first accounting firm I worked for years ago who was licensed to practice law in over ten states but would say outright that he could not pass the CPA exam to save his life. I never understood why, but now I know why.

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  • #601630
    Anonymous
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    Haha I wasn't aware that their were CPA Exam conspiracy theories. I'm fairly convinced that the reason there are so few CPAs is because the exam is really hard. I remember a girl crying during an Intermediate Accounting I test and dropping the class- just because we have accounting degrees and the material came more easily to us, doesn't mean that accounting isn't really hard for others. Blaming a failing score on the AICPA purposely giving out failing grades to people who really passed is a huge cop-out- just own your failing score & figure out what you did wrong to improve next time. You cant go through life blaming your personal failures on some larger force working against you.

    @debitinkcreditcash- I laughed at that statement too.

    #601631
    MBAin2014
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    Well written @debitinkcreditcash and congratulations Amanda_88.

    BEC – 88 5/14

    REG – 91 7/14

    AUD – 83 8/14

    FAR — ?? Q4, 2014 — hope the quota isn't met by the time I take it.

    BEC 88 (05/14)
    REG 91 (07/14)
    AUD 83 (08/14)
    FAR 90 (10/14)

    #601632
    kaywalee
    Participant

    I also got a 68 in my Audit ….seriously, I am floored and just can not comprehend where I went wrong.

    I sat there for the full 4 hours and not rush though the exam. I walked out feeling so good, even great…..

    I increased my study time (3month average 4hours a day), took time off from work (4days)and did nothing by eat and breath AUDIT.

    I did all of Wiley MC online, as well as simulation online testing and passed everyone….was totally confident!

    Now!…I need peeling off the floor really fast…'cause I need to dust myself off and continuing studying for REG.

    I feel you pain 🙂

    #601633
    Joeman0101
    Member

    I previously took the AUD exam and received a 91 on it. I carelessly let that exam expire, and just retook the AUD exam 8/31 and received a 71. I left feeling pretty good about the exam and was sure I passed. I am just surprised my score dropped by 20 pts! I got the official score letter in my e-mail and says I was weaker in the Sims area. On to study more and attack it again.

    #601634
    greg422
    Member

    I would recommend NINJA MC if you haven't tried them. My score was almost identical to my NINJA and I have seen a lot of others posting similar results.

    REG - 82
    AUD - 97
    BEC - 81
    FAR - 84
    DONE!

    #601635
    Anonymous
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    *”DebitInkCreditCash”*

    Yes, as others have mentioned in previous posts, I do believe the AICPA uses “magical” also know as psychometric grading to normalize scores. If not, then why does it take 21+ days for them to come out of the blue with your score when they knew it instantaneously after you submitted computer graded questions for one testlet, on which the grade is used to to determine the difficulty of your next testlet. Also, the pass/fail rates are normalized. You can't bull-shit me on this, I have taken numerous Statistics classes and understand normal distribution, sampling, etc. Facts don't lie and I would love for the discovery process to begin in regards to my legal challenge to being cheated out of a passing score by some cronies somewhere. You are changing material facts in your statement regarding guessing. Educated guessing is entirely different from guessing. Guessing in generalness means simple choosing a response practically randomly. Educated guessing is narrowing down the responses based upon factual correctness and relevant knowledge, which is totally different. When you said “guessed” I thought that it referred to the former, random dart throwing. If choosing an incorrect answer or not totally knowing if an answer is incorrect because of questionable content and intentional vagueness, or having the point value of the question decreased by psychometrics is considered guessing, then yes, I must have “guessed.” But that is not guessing per say, like having randomness decide. Your statement regarding guessing and passing made me think that is what you did in entirety on each exam. Since it is multiple choice, there is that possibility, albeit a very slight possibility that someone could guess. I would love to get your evidence, do you mind fronting me about 10K to begin a legal battle against the AICPA. If not, then please shut up!

    #601636
    Anonymous
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    Amanda_88, “I was not aware there were CPA exam conspiracies,” you should scroll up in this discussion group and read what others are saying, not just what I am saying. Obviously, you don't have a clue, even though you passed. When you say “really hard” what do you mean? Vague questionableness coupled with non-important content? Or just fucked up grading? If you think your are better than someone who was scared out of Intermediate Accounting by some worthless piece of shit ass professor who has no other joy in life but to fuck students out of what they rightfully deserve and have paid for then your total existence has become a questionable issue. I have had the unfortunate joy of having some seriously fucked up professors who professed at bricks and mortar Universities and who used the class lectures as a means of ranting about their concerns in life and wasting my valuable time as a student and human-being. I could have been working or studying instead of listening to their shit to put it blatantly and it all is meant to undermine your success as student so they can profiteer from your 5-6 year degree instead of your 2 year degree! Not to mention, the joy of being an accounting professor is making stupid accounting questions so difficult that there is not even a logical, scientifically correct answer – and then receiving joy from failing students for choosing the incorrect answer, when in reality the entire abstract, vagueness of the question invalidated it from having a correct answer from the beginning. You do know the AICPA asks professors to design questions for the CPA exam? I have had several good professors actually present questions they drafted, submitted and where used for the CPA exam to better prepare us as candidates for the CPA exam. I know what the hell is going on and I am becoming a second generation CPA. Can you say the same, I don't think so. When I become a CPA, I will not accept people who are simply CPA's because of this and other related issues into my world. I am sorry, but you are going to have to prove it again and again, because the license is losing its viability. All because clueless people are becoming CPA's who do not even know how their own exam is graded and deemed passing or failing. I would rather fail with a mind, than pass mentally clueless!

    #601637
    Anonymous
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    @kaywalee

    I know your pain.

    I just don't understand either. The first time I took AUD, I will be honest I was not as prepared.

    I took notes and almost ran out of time to do all MCQ. But confident I would pass next time.

    Second time I picked up a lot from Ninja MCQ, did tons of it, learned a lot, had some weak points but not as bad as the first time.

    I literally had a SIM that I found answers out of AL, I thought I nailed it.

    It was lower than the first.

    How is THAT possible??

    #601638
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @cant pay again- Not sure what to say back to something so stupid. You sound very bitter & unhappy. Focus that energy on passing the exam & not insulting people who have worked hard to pass it. Bye now

    #601639
    Anonymous
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    @CANT-PAY-AGAIN-EXAM-I do believe that there is some truth to what you are saying and it is supported by my previous post. However, lets please keep a level of decorum on this site. You sound angry but there is no need to be that way. This site is designed for support and some venting in a respectful way.

    On topic, I did fail my exam which was taken at the end of the testing window. That's three fails all at the end of the window and two passes at the beginning. Could be coincidence but is suspicious. For everyone else who has passed and says “just study harder” you have to admit that the way this test is scored is corky to say the least. Most people who fail do so with a grade between 71-74, it takes too long to get scores back on a computerized test, there are non testing windows each quarter, there is a consistent 50/50 pass rate for forever and smart people have issues passing these tests. I am not making excuses at all because I will pass all four exam hell or high water but you have to admit that the facts surrounding this particular test are odd. Bottom line is that we can't change the process so focus on studying but don't dismiss CANT PAY's claims as being bitter because we know that when we have pulled back the cover on organizations in the past everyone is always surprised at what they see.

    #601640
    Smashbox20
    Member

    @Amanda_88

    If people didn't struggle to pass these tests, it wouldn't be such an accomplishment to pass. That prestige is what motivated people like you and I to do what it took to pass. Congrats again on finishing up, best of luck in your future endeavors.

    FAR: Passed
    REG: Passed
    BEC: Passed
    AUD: Passed

    #601641
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @Smashbox20 and @Amanda_88

    I agree with you Smashbox20. It does take a special level of dedication to finish these exams and that can NEVER be discounted even if you do have doubts about the legitimacy of the process. Congrats to both of you!!!!!!! Hopefully I will be there soon.

    #601642
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    This thread is interesting since I do love conspiracy therories.

    However, the two passes I have thus far have both been at the end of the testing window.

    #601643
    MAGGIE1234
    Participant

    My experience with AUD was that for the first attempt I felt like I would have passed cuz I was pretty sure about both the MCQs and Sims, but it turned out that I was misunderstood. Then under the second attempt I had a few unsure MCQs and nearly all Sims had some unclear parts, but it turned out amazingly good… So my guess is that, provided with good preparation, if you feels bad and uncertain, maybe you are more chanced to pass than feeling good…This weird pattern happens to all my passed exams, especially FAR…

    AUD - 69,95
    BEC - 86
    FAR - 82
    REG - 56,82

    I finally made it!!!!!Thank YOU!!!!!!!!

    #601644
    Anonymous
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    If I had $10k to spare, I'd sooner shred it and place it in my cat's litter box than donate it to your cause. I'm tempted to continue here with ya, but your posts tell me everything I wanted to know about you, not to mention I have a feeling we're reaching the point where you accuse me of being an AICPA shill. And besides, I can't. After that anti-professor rant, I just… can't. I mean, what in the…

    Best of luck, man.

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