AUD – this kind of question drives me nuts!

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    kmwgrace
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    When a qualified opinion results from a limitation on the scope of the audit, the situation should be described in an explanatory paragraph:

    a. Preceding the opinion paragraph and referred to only in the scope paragraph of the auditor’s report.

    b. Following the opinion paragraph and referred to in both the scope and opinion paragraphs of the auditor’s report.

    c. Following the opinion paragraph and referred to only in the scope paragraph of the auditor’s report.

    d. Preceding the opinion paragraph and referred to in both the scope and opinion paragraphs of the auditor’s report.

    Does that make anyone else’s head spin or is it just me? This kind of minutia makes me absolutely crazy. Even if I were an audit person, there would be templates for all of this kind of stuff – I wouldn’t be writing it on my own. What makes it worse is that my focus is tax and memorizing this audit stuff just seems like so much unnecessary fluff. I’m not putting down you good audit people out there – that’s not what I’m saying. Your work is obviously very important. What I am saying is that I would *never* do something in practice that I wasn’t confident in without first looking it up or asking someone else, including writing one of these reports. ugh.

    Sorry, vent over.

    ~ Kate... MTX!
    CPA exam on hold while I homeschool my 6 year old!

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  • #327409
    Peanut
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    The answer is D right? I always think of Gearty saying “if it's a scope limit it's a double whammy!” meaning scope and opinion paragraph lol

    AUD 81 (X4) Previous scores 59, 72, 72
    REG 80 (X3) Previous scores 59, 60
    FAR 75 (X2) Previous score 67
    BEC 79 (X2) Previous score 58

    #327410
    jenuno01
    Member

    D is correct. I totally get your frustration, repetition will help you a lot!… When you get to the point where you can read the question and envision the the right answer without looking at your options, you are ready for AUD : )

    Class of 2012

    #327411
    kmwgrace
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    @ Peanut, thanks for that reminder. Maybe that will help me in the future.

    @ Jen, you are the AUD queen so any advice from you I will take as gold!

    ~ Kate... MTX!
    CPA exam on hold while I homeschool my 6 year old!

    #327412
    Peanut
    Participant

    @Jenu is the AUD **King

    AUD 81 (X4) Previous scores 59, 72, 72
    REG 80 (X3) Previous scores 59, 60
    FAR 75 (X2) Previous score 67
    BEC 79 (X2) Previous score 58

    #327413
    kmwgrace
    Member

    Oops, my bad! Silly me for thinking Jen was female! lol! Must be initials?

    ~ Kate... MTX!
    CPA exam on hold while I homeschool my 6 year old!

    #327414
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I think I remember that question from the Becker – crazy question

    #327415
    jenuno01
    Member

    LOL… yes, it would be King… haha thanks Peanut for the clarification! @kmwgrace I am not an AUD expert, but am here to help out as much as I can ; )

    Class of 2012

    #327416
    gabykats
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    I am an “AUDIT PERSON”… There is a template for an audit report.. its called the STANDARD REPORT… which is 3 paragraphs with a heading an adressee and signed and dated by the auditor!! life isnt black and white however, so there are going to be variations….

    i think the standard audit report sort of makes sense.. i try not to memorize anything… i just try and rationalize it, so that i am not cramming.. understanding the concept.

    Please read below… i tried to explain the concept to you….

    1. what is the purpose of an audit? the purpose of an audit is for MANAGEMENT to get someone who is TRAINED and INDEPENDENT to express an opinion as to how accurate a representation the financial statements they have prepared are, to what actually happened at the company in that period/ or that year.

    2. Who cares about the how the company is doing? the users of financial statements are a wide and varying group. but the people who the regulators are most concerned about are the owners of the company who have nothing to do with the day to day running of the company – the shareholders in a public company. (The board of directors, incidentally, are representatives of shareholders that have nothing to do with the day to day running of the company.)

    3. management goes out and finds an expert on auditing and accounting – a CPA, and asks them to come in and give an opinion as to whether their financial statements are a true reflection of what went on at that company for the year.

    the CPA tells management that he has the expertise to do the work, (TRAINING and INDEPENDENCE and can exercise DUE PROFFESIONAL CARE in doing the work) but for him to give such an opinion he is going to need to take a closer look at the balances, transactions and disclosures that make up the financial statements. he is going to need to do field work. He is going to need to make PLAN as to how he is going to go about getting the EVIDENCE he needs to form the opinion. This will involve taking a deep hard look at how you as a management team run the company and what safeguards you have in place to facilitate accurate reporting, safeguard the companies assets and facilitate the smooth running of the company – INTERNAL CONTROL.

    If you agree (IN WRITING) to allow him to do this, he will be able to provide you with an opinion as to whether the the FS are a FAIR reflection of the the position of the company at a certain date. He unfortunately cannot give management complete assurance, that they are 100% accurate, because he cannot look at every single transaction, but he can give 95% assurance based on the work he will perform. at the end of his work he will supply you with an OPINION in the form of a report.

    4. what is the purpose of the audit report? the purpose of the audit report is for the “expert” in audit and accounting (referred to in 1 as independent), that was hired by management, to express to opinion as to whether the financial statements, that were prepared by management, are FAIR representation of the financial statements for that period or for that year.

    5. so the title of the report reflects the thing the CPA is most proud of.. (the thing that distinguishes him from other experts like engineers, actuaries etc) his INDEPENDENCE… – independent auditors report..

    He addresses the report to the board of directors, (because they are the representatives of the shareholders…)

    A standard audit report is 3 paragraphs. Intro, scope, and opinion.

    the introductory paragraph tells the reader, the type of project the auditors were engaged to do. – eg. audit 12/31/2011 of balance sheet, inc statement, cash flow and disclosures. it tells the reader that management prepared these financials. and that the cpa's job was to express an opinion.

    the scope paragraph goes into detail about the rules that the audtors used to perform the work that is the the basis of the opinion. referred to in the introduction. so they use this para to tell you what they did and what rules they followed. (ie we audited these financials using GAAS rules…)

    Now if the auditor DIDNT see something that he thinks any reasonable shareholder would care about… he rings an alarm bell… he doesnt want anyone to go out and buy shares in a company based on his opinion. so if he didnt see something his scope was limited.. He says that first in the scope paragraph… EXCEPT AS DISCUSSED IN THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH, WE AUDITED the F/S.

    ( I think it sort of makes sense that if they couldn't look at something in the financials referred to in the introduction this the place to say it. the scope paragraph is all about the auditors….)

    then they add a paragraph to describe what they didnt look at.

    Then the last para is the opinion paragraph. YOU ASKED ME TO TELL YOU IF THESE FINSTATS were fair. here goes nothing… The first think i am going to mention is the thing i didnt look at. i dont want to be associated with it, and i dont want you to get it twisted in any way- IN OUR OPINION, EXCEPT FOR that thing described above that i couldnt look at so i cant form an opinion on it, i didnt do any work -everything else is a fair representation of the FS that are prepared in accordance with GAAP…

    FYI (It goes without saying that I have looked to make sure that the DISCLOSURES are in line with GAAP, and that GAAP principles have been applied CONSISTENTLY over the period… so once i have said in accordance with GAAP, and havent said otherwise, then you know that the finstats are appropriately disclosed and applied consistenetly )

    #327417
    Peanut
    Participant

    Nice work @gabykats!

    AUD 81 (X4) Previous scores 59, 72, 72
    REG 80 (X3) Previous scores 59, 60
    FAR 75 (X2) Previous score 67
    BEC 79 (X2) Previous score 58

    #327418
    jenuno01
    Member

    @gabykats, you definitely are an AUDIT PERSON 🙂

    I need to log off this site, I've spent so much time on here today lol

    Class of 2012

    #327419
    kmwgrace
    Member

    @gabykats, thanks so much for that summary! I'm going to print it out. I'll take all the help I can get. 🙂

    ~ Kate... MTX!
    CPA exam on hold while I homeschool my 6 year old!

    #327420
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    To me EVERY Audit question's answer choices read virtually the same way:

    A) The answer that makes no sense or is the opposite of what you would do.

    B) An answer that sounds really good but doesn't quite correspond to this particular question being asked.

    C) A technically correct answer but not the absolute “best” possible correct answer for this question.

    D) The actual correct answer that they badly or very similarly worded in order to trick you into picking something else.

    #327421
    Peanut
    Participant

    You hit the nail on the head @dtomasello!

    AUD 81 (X4) Previous scores 59, 72, 72
    REG 80 (X3) Previous scores 59, 60
    FAR 75 (X2) Previous score 67
    BEC 79 (X2) Previous score 58

    #327422
    kmwgrace
    Member

    @dtomasello, so what you're saying is, when in doubt in AUD, choose D? lol – if only it were that easy.

    ~ Kate... MTX!
    CPA exam on hold while I homeschool my 6 year old!

    #327423
    jtcali
    Participant

    that question definitely makes my head spin. jeff made a video about the auditor's report and what goes where at the end of last year. It's pretty helpful. I just looked for it but couldn't find it. Anyone else have a link to it?

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