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April 16, 2015 at 4:59 am #669343
Camille8291Member@Cd Wolf
In a test of controls, sample size varies inversely with the tolerable (or maximum) rate of deviation. As the number of allowable deviations increases, the sample size decreases. Sample size increases as the expected population deviation rate increases.” -except from ninja mcq answers
—I get the first part but can anyone explain to me why the “sample size increases as the expected population deviation rate increases”?
The second sentence means when you(the auditor) expect the population deviation rate to increase, then you will increase your sample size. What you expect to happen will have a direct effect on your sample size.
The key words to both of those sentences is tolerate(allow) versus expect.
Believe it or not, your questions are actually helping me see things that I never saw.
April 16, 2015 at 7:43 pm #669344
knicks92Memberdoes anyone have any advice on conquering A4. I've been working on this section for nearly a week now and I have made no progress. I read the chapter twice (some parts even 3 times). I did the questions and got about 50-60% correct on both efforts. I completely do not understand the explanations they provide and when i do get an answer correct, my understanding of how i got the answer is not similar to Beckers explanation. The most frustrating thing is when I look at the reference of the page that Becker provides in how to get the answer and sometimes I cant find anything on the page that has anything to do with the question. It is as if Becker seems to expect me to just have common sense of the knowledge. I have never really experienced something like this with Becker. Usually I wont do well on the questions and wont understand everything i read the first time through, but will have noticeable improvement and understanding the second/third time through. I dont know why this is happening but maybe its because I have always been a tax guy. Another reason I am concerned is because I know this is a very important part of the exam.
I looked up a lot of the words also that I dont understand, but that still doesnt help too much.
I am thinking about moving on to A5 and A6 and just going back to A4 later on, but does anyone have any advice.
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B: 88
A: 77
R: 89
F:April 16, 2015 at 7:52 pm #669345
Camille8291MemberI may can help you what is the topic(s)? I have an older version of Beckers book and my A4 is transaction cycle, audit doc, audit evidence, and evidential procedures. I now have up to date material from Roger and Wiley but the information is the same, it's just explained a bit differently. There is alot of information jammed into a condensed format and it can be overwhelming. What specific area would you like to start with?
April 16, 2015 at 9:35 pm #669346
Claudia408ParticipantHi Audit Folks,
Is anyone solely using Ninja products to study for Audit? I bought Ninja Ten Point Combo and I also have CPAexcel but ditched CPAexcel bc it was too dry and boring. I think that's just the nature of Audit… but just want to know how people are using Ninja to study.
I know everyone swears by doing MCQs over and over and learning why you got the wrong answer. I feel like the Ninja stuff is kinda scattered and I'm a little lost… I finished reading the first 2 books and trending in the 70s for MCQs I & II, but getting to the 3rd book and MCQ section III I feel it's just nonsensical….anyone else?
BEC - 75 (3x)
AUD - 78 (3x)
REG - 67, 66, Aug 1
FAR - 54, Sept 8April 16, 2015 at 11:28 pm #669347
knicks92Member@Camille8291…im having difficulty with the transaction cycles.
Tough times don't last. Tough people do.
B: 88
A: 77
R: 89
F:April 17, 2015 at 12:31 am #669348
MartinParticipantClaudia408, Audit is as dry as a post-menopausal camel,but I dont think ninja notes and blitz has enough detail to help you understand and pass Audit. I cantr say anything about ninjas book, I dont know how detail it is. Ninja's MC test bank is harder than Becker and Wiley, so you might benefit from that portion of the package.
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“You never fail until you stop trying.”
― Albert Einstein
When I was young, I used to admire intelligent people;as I grow older, I admire kind people.
“Just keep swimming, just keep swimming.”FAR= 72-84
Audit= 73-82
BEC= 74-75
Reg=77April 17, 2015 at 12:41 am #669349
MartinParticipantGuys, the way to understand transactions cycles is to create flash cards and memorize what each person in private accounting does. For example, who is in charge of authorization?
Credit Dept
Personnel
Purchasing Manager
Treasure (authorizes w-offs a/r)
Payable clerk (authorizes voucher)
etc,etc,etc
Who has custody?
Receptionist
Treasurer (when he sends checks)
Receiving clerk
warehouse clerk
etc,etc,etc
There are a bunch,but you get the idea. After you memorize what each of them do as far as ARCC, now you will know that the person who authorizes cant record, of have custody etc,etc.
Through God all things can happen!
“You never fail until you stop trying.”
― Albert Einstein
When I was young, I used to admire intelligent people;as I grow older, I admire kind people.
“Just keep swimming, just keep swimming.”FAR= 72-84
Audit= 73-82
BEC= 74-75
Reg=77April 17, 2015 at 2:32 am #669350
AnonymousInactiveThanks Camile! I actually called Wiley the orther day and asked someone if that course offered Research type SIMS and they told me no. But your saying it has Authoritive Literature you can search that simulates what is on the actual exam?
Is this the product your referring to? Wiley CPAexcel
Thanks very much since Im only using Ninja mcq now and I really need to be able to practice searching.
April 17, 2015 at 2:47 am #669353
AnonymousInactiveClaudia 408,
For the REG & BEC sections I only used Ninja MCQ testbank along with the Wiley book. I think i did the NINJA MCQ's 2x each for each exam which is alot; and then I did almost all the Wiley MCQ's in the book as my final review. I read the whole Wiley books also(which im thinking wasnt worth it).
So to answer your question about using just NINJA Mcq its possible because I spent only about 10% of my time with Wiley and 90% doing NINJA Mcq's. Thats all I did, I barely studied. Just did questions and read the answers.
However, for AUD I having doubts this work again. I know I need to practice doing Research using the Authoritive Literature and the Ninja MCQ bank is just too limited for this in my opinion.
April 17, 2015 at 3:17 am #669354
Camille8291Member@knicks92 and Martin
I wouldn't go so far as to say memorize the transactions cycle but be familiar with what goes together.
First, transaction cycles or operating cycles is the term used by the auditor when he is cycling through the transactions to determine who handles what, and to determine whether the functions are handled appropriately. For instance who is authorizing transactions, who is recording transactions, who has custody, and finally are these transactions being compared (reconciled). (ARCC)
Revenue cycle deals with making money. In order to make money you have to sell something. So you start from the beginning of that cycle and work your way through to the end of it.
Sales clerk – accepts the customer order
Credit manager – approves the customer order
Warehouse house clerk – holds the goods or separate out the goods (inventory)
Shipping clerk – ships the goods to the customer
Billing clerk – prepares the sales invoice
Receivable clerk – post the sale to the customer's account
and on and on and on………
Each cycle basically works the same way. I believe as you work through the mc questions, you will get a better understanding of these cycles.
April 17, 2015 at 3:51 am #669355
vasq5405MemberI'm sitting for Audit on April 20th. I took a practice test with Becker before I began my final review and scored 79. Is that good or should I be concerned? I am redoing the MCQ twice. So far I've been scoring above 85% on all of the MCQ. Do you recommend redoing the Sims? Any advice is greatly appreciated.
FAR - 87 02/09/2015 Becker Self-Study
BEC - 86 02/25/2015 Becker Self-Study
REG - 92 04/01/2015 Becker Self-Study
AUD - 82 04/20/2015 Becker Self-StudyApril 17, 2015 at 5:08 am #669356
Camille8291Member@cdwolf
Yes that is the link. There are 31 simulations in the AUDITING test bank and of the 31 sims there are 9 research questions with the authorative literature provided. The categories are Audit Sampling, Engagement Planning, Evidence, Internal Control, Reporting, and Professional Responsibilities.
I can't answer as to why you were given wrong information, other then probably that person is unaware of what the simulations consist of. Maybe someone needs to suggest to them to display on their advertisement page that the Simulations include Authorative Literature for the Research questions.
I do feel you will benefit from their material.
April 17, 2015 at 5:14 am #669357
Camille8291MemberI think you should keep repeating the practice test over and over until you feel completely comfortable with it. Does the practice test give different questions each time you take it? The ideal is for you to feel like you are taking the actual exam and the only way to get that feeling is to keep taking the practice exam while hopefully getting a different set of questions each time.
April 17, 2015 at 4:34 pm #669358
vasq5405MemberAs I said, I have my Audit test on the 20th (which is the cut-off date). Will I get my score on May 5th or next round?
FAR - 87 02/09/2015 Becker Self-Study
BEC - 86 02/25/2015 Becker Self-Study
REG - 92 04/01/2015 Becker Self-Study
AUD - 82 04/20/2015 Becker Self-StudyApril 17, 2015 at 5:56 pm #669359
AnonymousInactive^^^there's no guarantee, but a lot of people who take it on the cut off date get their results on the day specified; May 5th is in your favor.
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