AUD Study Group October November 2017 - Page 20

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  • #1620149
    jeff
    Keymaster

    Welcome to the Q4 2017 CPA Exam Study Group for AUD. 🙂

    Introduce yourselves and let your fellow NINJAs know when you plan to take your AUD exam.

    The Five Steps (NINJA Framework): https://www.another71.com/pass-the-cpa-exam/

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  • #1672685
    Recked
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    First you judge CR, then you do TofC to determine if your evaluation was correct in accessing the proper control risk.

    If CR/RMM is low, then you can rely on CR (Reliance on CR is high), so you can allow your DR to drop, which results in less TofD/Substantive testing.

    Reliance high, CR low -> DR high, less substantive testing. Inverse relationships.

    Reliance on CR is low, then CR is high, in order for AR to be low you need to minimize DR, and the only way to lower detection risk is to do more substantive testing, more test of details.

    Remember AR = IR x CR x DR
    And DR is the only one the auditor can control by doing more or less TofD or Substantive Testing.

    If the TofC fails ie: you determine the controls are worthless, then you access CR at the max, and must do more substantive testing to ensure the errors are not making their way onto the financials.

    Hope this helps, post again if you need more clarification. helpful to remember inverse relationships.

    #1672705
    dave
    Participant

    Hey @reckedracing,

    Thank you! That was super helpful, I'll try to read your post over and over until I grasp the concept.

    What do you mean by High/Low Reliance on CR? Is that same as saying “Assessing Control Risk to be High/Low or did you mean that you can/cannot rely on Internal Controls?

    To Recap:

    If CR High = Test of Details (More Substantive Testing) and higher Sample Size
    If CR Low = Rely on Test of Controls, Less Substantive Testing, lower Sample Size

    Is this accurate? Thanks!

    #1672717
    Recked
    Participant

    Your 2 line summary is accurate.

    For the third sentence. Reliance and CR are also an inverse relationship.
    If you think the controls are working effectively then you would rate the control risk as low, which means you would rely on the controls to catch errors.
    If you think control risk is low, you rely on them, which allows your acceptable level of detection risk to rise so you do less substantive testing.

    My course has it in a circle.
    Reliance High, then CR low, then DR high, then less substantive testing.

    If reliance is low, then control risk is high(max), then you need to lower your detection risk(to lower your overall audit risk), so you do more substantive testing as you cannot count on the controls to catch the errors. Increase scope, decrease materiality, larger sample sizes, more testing of details.

    Check out this video on youtube. The relevant part starts around the 1 minute mark.

    Ignore the atrocious hand writing. The concepts and explanation are valid and it will click.

    #1672969
    Recked
    Participant

    My review course has a lot of questions on securities related to actual observations of the securities on hand, or kept in safe deposit boxes etc.
    Does this seem a bit outdated and antiquated to anyone else? No one really deals with paper securities anymore, except perhaps stocks from small/closely held entities.
    Perhaps I should be reading any securities related question with that specific concept in mind?

    Example question.
    An auditor is establishing procedures for testing management’s assertion regarding rights and obligations in relation to reported investments in marketable securities. The auditor is considering using confirmations or observation. Which of these techniques would be appropriate for obtaining evidence about rights and obligations?

    The correct answer was both observation and confirmation.

    I was thinking confirmations with the brokerage house, but the answer explanation specifically references observation of securities on hand.

    “When securities are held by an independent custodian on behalf of an entity, the custodian can confirm the existence of the investment securities and their ownership. Custody of securities provides evidence of ownership, which the auditor will obtain by observation of securities on hand.”

    #1673039
    SONA
    Participant

    Can anyone explain the difference between Financial Statement Assertion and Relevant assertions.

    #1673042
    Recked
    Participant

    Check out the video I posted 2 posts up, and the #2 and #3 videos of the same series on youtube.
    They are on the topic you mentioned.

    #1673381
    SONA
    Participant

    How is it going Guys………….

    My target for today is all questions from Ninja Section 3 including sims at least 5, which scares me a lot. But decided to face it now than on 4th. 🙂 Tomorrow section 2 & 4.

    Come on, let's do it………….

    #1673401
    Recked
    Participant

    660 questions down, 75.3%
    4 more days of prep, keep pushing

    #1673438
    Bourne
    Participant

    1560 MCQ attempts, 80% trending.

    Also 4 days out and so so burnt out

    #1673450
    tncpa2018
    Participant

    Taking AUD tomorrow. I'm in a mode that I'm about to vomit everytime I look into MCQ questions, so today I'm just relaxing… just doing some light reading of the Ninja notes. I wish us all good luck and hoping Dec 19th will be a happy day.

    #1673452
    SONA
    Participant

    ALL THE BEST…….

    Try some Sims.

    #1673545
    SONA
    Participant

    Now these ratios are driving me crazy….Can anyone solve this?
    The following information pertains to Ali Corp. as of and for the year ended December 31, 20X1:

    Liabilities $ 60,000
    Stockholders' equity $500,000
    Shares of common stock issued and outstanding 10,000
    Net income $ 30,000
    During 20X1, Ali's officers exercised stock options for 1,000 shares of stock at an option price of $8 per share. What was the effect of exercising the stock options?

    A.
    Debt-to-equity ratio decreased to 12%.

    B.
    Earnings per share increased by $0.33.

    C.
    Asset turnover increased to 5.4%.

    D.
    No ratios were affected.

    #1673548
    tncpa2018
    Participant

    Wow I didn't come across something like this in my study of AUD.

    I'm giving it a shot, I'm probably wrong 🙂 lol.

    I initially think D. Since the balance sheet is dated as of December 31, all the transactions that happened in 2011 should already be recorded in the balance sheet account.

    But again it did affect during 2011 by decreasing the ratio to 12% (60000/500000) from 12.2% (60000/492000). Yeah I think it might be A.

    Final answer A. Please let me know what is the answer. 🙂

    #1673557
    SONA
    Participant

    I dont want to lower your confidence today since you have exam tomorrow, but I encountered these types of question in NINJA MCQ section 3 (Analytical Procedure).

    The answer is A.

    #1673564
    tncpa2018
    Participant

    Dangit! This type of question coming up in AUD??? I'm praying now that my exam lottery doesn't get this.

    It is good to know that my thought process works. Thanks Sona. I'm off to bed. Exam in less than 12 hours. I'll update y'all how it go for me without revealing any details.

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