AUD Study Group July August 2013 - Page 57

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  • #438284
    Mia
    Participant

    Jam, I came across that question this morning and had totally forgotten how to figure it out too.

    So when you want to detect kiting, try to ask:

    • when did the company claim they wrote the check (disbursed per books)?

    • when was the check actually received (receipt date per bank)?

    If the date on the second question is earlier than the date on the first question then you know that they lied about when they wrote the check.

    In this particular question, this was how I explained it to myself:

    101 – wrote check on Dec. 30, bank received it on Jan 3 – no kiting here.

    202 – wrote check on Jan. 3, bank received it on Dec 31 – how is that possible? through kiting. the money was in two places on December 31.

    303 – wrote check on Dec. 31, bank received it on Jan 2 – it's all good.

    404 – wrote check on Dec Jan.2, bank received it on Dec 31 – how is that possible? through kiting. the money was in two places on December 31.

    If I'm not mistaken, the answer is c

    BEC 82 Nov 2012 | REG 80 Feb 2013 | FAR 76!!! Apr 2013 | AUD 69 May 2013 | AUD 83!!! Aug 2013

    Done!! Thanks Jeff & A71 friends!

    Ad maiorem Dei gloriam - For the greater glory of God!

    #438430
    Mia
    Participant

    Jam, I came across that question this morning and had totally forgotten how to figure it out too.

    So when you want to detect kiting, try to ask:

    • when did the company claim they wrote the check (disbursed per books)?

    • when was the check actually received (receipt date per bank)?

    If the date on the second question is earlier than the date on the first question then you know that they lied about when they wrote the check.

    In this particular question, this was how I explained it to myself:

    101 – wrote check on Dec. 30, bank received it on Jan 3 – no kiting here.

    202 – wrote check on Jan. 3, bank received it on Dec 31 – how is that possible? through kiting. the money was in two places on December 31.

    303 – wrote check on Dec. 31, bank received it on Jan 2 – it's all good.

    404 – wrote check on Dec Jan.2, bank received it on Dec 31 – how is that possible? through kiting. the money was in two places on December 31.

    If I'm not mistaken, the answer is c

    BEC 82 Nov 2012 | REG 80 Feb 2013 | FAR 76!!! Apr 2013 | AUD 69 May 2013 | AUD 83!!! Aug 2013

    Done!! Thanks Jeff & A71 friends!

    Ad maiorem Dei gloriam - For the greater glory of God!

    #438286
    Jam05
    Participant

    Mia,

    Thank you so much for such a detailed answer and yes the answer is C

    I just needed to understand what two items to look at(disbursement date per book/receipt date per bank)

    #438432
    Jam05
    Participant

    Mia,

    Thank you so much for such a detailed answer and yes the answer is C

    I just needed to understand what two items to look at(disbursement date per book/receipt date per bank)

    #438287
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hello All! I am so beyond confused on sampling risk and it's effect on sample size. It appears the answer is always that an increase in sampling risk would result in a decrease for sample size, but for the life of me I can't see why that would be the case. Also, does anyone have a good way of keeping all this sampling stuff straight?

    #438434
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hello All! I am so beyond confused on sampling risk and it's effect on sample size. It appears the answer is always that an increase in sampling risk would result in a decrease for sample size, but for the life of me I can't see why that would be the case. Also, does anyone have a good way of keeping all this sampling stuff straight?

    #438290
    Amay
    Member

    @cricket You can lower the sampling risk by increasing the sampling size – this is an inverse relationship. What you are controlling here is the sampling size, and in turn the risk. For example, if you have 10 items in a population, and test 100% of the population, your sampling risk is lower. Remember that sampling risk is the risk that your conclusion based on a sample (i.e testing only a portion of the population) is different from that reached if the entire population (100%) were audited. In other words, testing MORE of the population is always LESS risky than just testing a portion/sample of it. Does this make sense?

    BEC: 73, 81
    AUD: 85
    FAR: 71, 77
    REG: 74, 75...finally DONE! 😀

    *This is my 2nd attempt at the CPA exam. For all of you who have failed this exam many times, given up on it, or taken a break like me, remember that it is still possible to finish what you started...failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently 🙂

    #438436
    Amay
    Member

    @cricket You can lower the sampling risk by increasing the sampling size – this is an inverse relationship. What you are controlling here is the sampling size, and in turn the risk. For example, if you have 10 items in a population, and test 100% of the population, your sampling risk is lower. Remember that sampling risk is the risk that your conclusion based on a sample (i.e testing only a portion of the population) is different from that reached if the entire population (100%) were audited. In other words, testing MORE of the population is always LESS risky than just testing a portion/sample of it. Does this make sense?

    BEC: 73, 81
    AUD: 85
    FAR: 71, 77
    REG: 74, 75...finally DONE! 😀

    *This is my 2nd attempt at the CPA exam. For all of you who have failed this exam many times, given up on it, or taken a break like me, remember that it is still possible to finish what you started...failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently 🙂

    #438292
    Jam05
    Participant

    Mia,

    I see that you are restudying for AUD too, do you suggest just doing countless number of multiple choice questions in Becker/Wiley plus reading? Or watching lectures/taking notes/mcq

    #438438
    Jam05
    Participant

    Mia,

    I see that you are restudying for AUD too, do you suggest just doing countless number of multiple choice questions in Becker/Wiley plus reading? Or watching lectures/taking notes/mcq

    #438294
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @Jam 05, if you have time read the book Wiley book understand the concepts and do as much MCQ as you can. Also just read through the standards and be familia with the set up and what stardard applies to which report etc.

    I took audit and it was bruttal. I am still denying that it could be that bad.

    #438440
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @Jam 05, if you have time read the book Wiley book understand the concepts and do as much MCQ as you can. Also just read through the standards and be familia with the set up and what stardard applies to which report etc.

    I took audit and it was bruttal. I am still denying that it could be that bad.

    #438296
    Mia
    Participant

    I started from the beginning, watched lectures, did MCQ, read the wiley book like Eliabraham suggested. But I'm running out of time and I've only read the modules for evidence, engagement planning and sampling. Yesterday I did 650 MCQs. My brain was fried at the end of the day but I feel better about it overall.

    When do you test Jam?

    BEC 82 Nov 2012 | REG 80 Feb 2013 | FAR 76!!! Apr 2013 | AUD 69 May 2013 | AUD 83!!! Aug 2013

    Done!! Thanks Jeff & A71 friends!

    Ad maiorem Dei gloriam - For the greater glory of God!

    #438442
    Mia
    Participant

    I started from the beginning, watched lectures, did MCQ, read the wiley book like Eliabraham suggested. But I'm running out of time and I've only read the modules for evidence, engagement planning and sampling. Yesterday I did 650 MCQs. My brain was fried at the end of the day but I feel better about it overall.

    When do you test Jam?

    BEC 82 Nov 2012 | REG 80 Feb 2013 | FAR 76!!! Apr 2013 | AUD 69 May 2013 | AUD 83!!! Aug 2013

    Done!! Thanks Jeff & A71 friends!

    Ad maiorem Dei gloriam - For the greater glory of God!

    #438298
    Jam05
    Participant

    Thanks Eliabraham, I cant stand that Wiley book, but will make sure to read it before the exam day

    650 MCQs? wow I seriously cant do more than 100 a day….I am just an impatient person in general..so thats why I feel like I have hard time getting through a material, I really hate doing MCQ's in Becker

    I am taking the exam on August 23rd, but I am also studying for REG which I am taking on August 30th. What about you? Have you tried reading the Becker book?

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