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December 11, 2017 at 10:59 am #1676695jeffKeymaster
Welcome to the Q1 2018 CPA Exam Study Group for AUD. 🙂
Introduce yourselves and let your fellow NINJAs know when you plan to take your exam.
The Five Steps (NINJA Framework): https://www.another71.com/pass-the-cpa-exam/
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January 12, 2018 at 5:07 pm #1692418SONAParticipant
I have two questions which are kind of same but the answers are kind of overlapping.
Q1. When unaudited financial statements of a nonpublic entity, which were neither reviewed nor compiled, are presented in comparative form with audited financial statements in the subsequent year, the unaudited financial statements should be clearly marked to indicate their status and
I. The report on the unaudited financial statements should be reissued.II. The report on the audited financial statements should include a separate paragraph stating the auditor assumes no responsibility for the prior period financial statements.
Ans: II only
Q2 When unaudited financial statements are presented in comparative form with audited financial statements in a document filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, such statements should be
ANS:Marked as “unaudited”.
I answered :Marked as “unaudited” and referred to in the auditor's report (isn't this means adding other-matter-paragraph from question 1 answer)
January 12, 2018 at 7:43 pm #1692455TealParticipant@SONA I am thinking it is because in the first answer its a nonpublic entity and the second it is public (filed with SEC).
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BEC - October 3rdJanuary 12, 2018 at 8:04 pm #1692458famh110Participant@Teal- Good luck!! Hopefully, you will be done forever after tomorrow with this crazy exam.
@SONA…for 1st question, i think the answer is Both Choices I & II and as for 2nd question, the difference arises because it mentions SEC thus issuers only. for issuers, you would mention in the explanatory paragraph that the auditor didn't audit, review, or compile the prior period financial statements and that auditor assumes no responsibility for them.non-issuers…report in other-matter paragraph whereas issuers…report in the explanatory paragraph
January 13, 2018 at 12:48 pm #1692623Indy500Participant@Jmg….I have to concur with you…the Sims are the war zones…I took mines yesterday. Felt good but ran out of time. So I will see….
January 13, 2018 at 4:11 pm #1692685TealParticipantI am done!!! Everyone – I agree, the SIMS are awful and I also ran out of time….we will see!!
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BEC - October 3rdJanuary 13, 2018 at 7:24 pm #1692745SONAParticipantNow look at this: Doesn't this confuse?
The risk assessment procedures should include the following:
a. Inquiries of management, appropriate individuals within the internal
audit function (if such function exists), others within the
entity who, in the auditor's professional judgment, may have information
that is likely to assist in identifying risks of material
misstatement due to fraud or error (Ref: par. .A6–.A13)
b. Analytical procedures (Ref: par. .A14–.A17)
c. Observation and inspection (Ref: par. .A18)Risk assessment procedures to obtain audit evidence about the design
and implementation of relevant controls may include
• inquiring of entity personnel.
• observing the application of specific controls.
• inspecting documents and reports.
• tracing transactions through the information system relevant to
financial reporting.Now question from NINJA
When performing risk assessment procedures to obtain an understanding of internal controls, the auditor may include all of the following except:A.
observing the application of specific controls.Correct B.
performing analytical procedures.C.
inspecting documents and reports.D.
tracing transactions through information system relevant to financial reporting.Why is the answer B, After reading above 2 paragraphs, the answer should be “ALL THE ANSWERS ARE CORRECT”. Why is Analytical procedure is exception?
January 13, 2018 at 7:26 pm #1692748SONAParticipantMORE FROM AICPA
Risk Assessment Procedures and Related Activities
.05 The auditor should perform risk assessment procedures to provide a
basis for the identification and assessment of risks of material misstatement
at the financial statement and relevant assertion levels. Risk assessment procedures
by themselves, however, do not provide sufficient appropriate audit evidence
on which to base the audit opinion. (Ref: par. .A1–.A5).06 The risk assessment procedures should include the following:
a. Inquiries of management, appropriate individuals within the internal
audit function (if such function exists), others within the
entity who, in the auditor's professional judgment, may have information
that is likely to assist in identifying risks of material
misstatement due to fraud or error (Ref: par. .A6–.A13)
b. Analytical procedures (Ref: par. .A14–.A17)
c. Observation and inspection (Ref: par. .A18)January 13, 2018 at 7:31 pm #1692751SONAParticipantEven in the Roger pg 3-11 says:
An auditor obtains an understanding of the entity and its environment, including its internal control (CRIME) through the performance of risk assessment procedures, which includes
Analytical procedure
Inquiries
Inspection
Observation.Please help me in this regard!
January 13, 2018 at 7:32 pm #1692752SONAParticipantI hope you are done today and no more CPA exam:)
What would you suggest? on the basis of today's experience.
January 14, 2018 at 2:55 pm #1692970TbuggParticipantHello! I've heard so many people say how awful the sims are…does anyone have any recommendations on how to study/prepare for those? Or is it better to keep doing the multiple choice and hope for the best with the sims?
AUD: Jan 26, 2018
BEC: End of Feb, 2018
FAR: Mid Apr, 2018
REG: TBDJanuary 14, 2018 at 9:55 pm #1693120famh110Participant@Sona..oh man, this question took way longer to answer than i thought. but i am glad i saw it as it help cleared some of my confusions around the topic as well. there is a subtle difference between the NINJA question and the definition of risk assessment procedures so have to be very careful when reading audit questions.
question is asking for to obtain an understanding of entity's internal controls what would the auditor not do? so basically, we need to know what he will do to? to understand controls they need to be tested and there are 4 procedures for testing controls..remember RIIO (reperformance, inspection, inquiry, or observation) therefore, you will not do analytical procedures.
January 15, 2018 at 12:30 am #1693133J KingParticipantKinda late to join the “Sims are awful” party.
How do you guys practice the research questions for AUD? So far, I have decent websites to browse for AU-C and PCAOB pronouncements. I am looking for AR-C, and for some reason, ET.
I know research questions in AUD are a pain to deal with, but hey I'd take points that take less hassle!
January 15, 2018 at 11:19 am #1693270itooshallpassParticipantAny tips for distinguishing between Existence/occurence and Completeness assertions? I always get those questions wrong. (e.g. which procedure would be most likely to corroborate mgmt's existence assertion related to inventory, things like that)
January 15, 2018 at 1:57 pm #1693337TealParticipantI honestly don't know the best way to tell anyone to practice for the SIMS. They are a nightmare, and without getting too specific, they aren't necessarily all related to AUD (*ahem* think FAR…) haha. I would say do a TON of MCQ's for AUD and that way, you can at least try to get near perfect on that part! Hope that helps!
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BEC - October 3rdJanuary 15, 2018 at 2:27 pm #1693370TealParticipantyes @itooshallpass – I always think of a “V” for Vouching as a down arrow to the source docs (goes from F/S to source docs and tests for Existence/Occurrence). Then a “T” is for an up arrow to the F/S (goes from source docs to F/S and tests for Completeness). Also, if you think about it, for completeness, you always want to go to the F/S because if you were to go FROM the F/S, you would never include anything not listed in the F/S, so for completeness, you need to see what you are missing, not what you already have. Hope that helps!!
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