Just took AUD

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  • #1819651
    Joetse
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    I just took Audit on June 2. It was the hardest AUD exam I’ve ever taken. Ever since they switched over to the new software (orange and blue font) with DRS and newer type sims, the sims have gotten more tricker, more varied, and about half of them longer. Many of the M/C questions are all new. Good thing is, Becker’s mock exams, end of module sims and m/c questions are representative of the new questions and sims you’ll find on exam day. However, this also means you’ll have to do A LOT more practice in the sims and m/c than ever before.
    Before, for review, I could just do a few past AICPA exams, and do fine and pass AUD. Now, if you try that, you won’t pass. The questions aren’t even the same as questions you’ve seen in the past, not even from 2017 AICPA’s released questions or sims. The sims are mostly different now, in what they are asking you to answer and even the setup of the question and supporting documents. You’ll have to know what specific test of control procedure, audit procedure or follow up procedure to apply to a found material misstatement or control deficiency. You’ll have to have a very good understanding of how analytical procedures are used to pick which ratios to look at and segregation of duties in live situations very well.
    For sure, know modifications of ALL reports like the back of your hand. Every possible conceived combination of when you should apply an other-matter, emphasis of matter, disclaimer, qualified, or unmodified with only disclosure, or no disclosure and unmodified, comparative F/S, and what language should go with each non-standard situation, for EACH of audits, reviews, and compilations, etc, since the rules are different for each type of engagement. My advice is do at least 1 to 2 simulations from each section, as well as both mock exams from Becker before taking the exam. That is the MINIMUM. It doesn’t feel like one could pass without doing at least that. Anyone else pass without doing this much work or have the same feeling? I did only 1 mock exam at the end, didn’t have time to look thru the other one fully, just scanned the sims, and didn’t have time to do any sims from the back of each chapter. I feel like I got in the low 70s, so crossing my fingers. The wait is killing me.
    To summarize, this is new exam structure is about 30% harder than what AUD exams used to be, the sims take much more time than before (I had to skip one entire sim just to finish on time, and I had 2 hours and 10 mins for all 8 sims). I’d say the new exams are about 7 points harder than the old exams. So if you used to get an 82, now you’ll only get a 75. That’s my advice.

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  • #1819664
    m55pa19
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    Wow. Thank you so much for all of that info! I'm taking audit this week and your post is extremely helpful. Would you mind sharing how you did on the mock exam you took? I wish you the best of luck for the score release!! Only 25 days to go… think positive!

    #1819670
    GoVPI
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    The key to SIMs is to get as many points as possible. If you do well on MCQ and are able to pick up a few points on each SIM, you should be ok. I took the same audit test on the 2nd. It’s not surprising to me that they are like FAR SIMS. It’s widely known. On a few of them SIMs I wish I could’ve printed out some of the information. There just were too many windows to have open and compare at once. I am in agreement with you they are harder than previous AUD exam. I’m just hoping to pass and pick up enough points of each. Research was easy.

    BEC 8/14/14 - Passed
    Graduated from college 12/13/14
    AUD 8/31/15 - 74. Retake - Passed
    REG
    FAR

    #1819673
    rahee
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    Whoa. Now I am scared. I was doing the 2017 AICPA released questions, and was feeling okay, but now I'm not so sure. How did you do on the Becker mock exams? My score was in the 60s for both exams.
    What was the most difficult for you? The format of the exam? The time? The content? Or was it a combo of everything?

    #1819726
    MIsconnie
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    Thanks for the detailed post, I take it this Wednesday. I am so burnt out because AUD is my last one and I have been working full time throughout the entirety of my CPA journey. Because of this my prep for this exam will be the lightest out of the other sections, with that said, I still completed Becker's course on AUD. Today I also took one of the Mock exams (the one they recommend taking a week prior) and got a 72. I felt the exam was much easier than I had anticipated. I want to feel like I am in a good spot for Wednesday, but I just do not know how well the mock exams for becker line up with the actual exam.

    #1819849
    Joetse
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    I agree. They made AUD much more capstone-like and comprehensive, incorporating about 25% of FAR – meaning you have to know the GAAP disclosure and recognition rules for uncertainties, contingencies, estimates/reserves and subsequent events. You have to understand and know the same journal entries on FAR – 2 of the mock exams had a deferred tax asset 5 line journal entry, and then remembering how to disclose a lawsuit contingency when it is a range with 2 values equally probable (GAAP rule is recognize the lowest end of the range, and make a disclosure that there could be an additional loss up to the highest end of the range).
    I didn't do the full exams all in one sitting. But I was scoring like 70 on the m/c and wasn't really scoring the sims. Becker doesn't even grade them correctly; Becker gives 45% weight to the sims and 55% weight to the m/c which is unrepresentative of the real thing, which gives a full 50% weight to the sims, and throwing one pre-test sim out, so really its even MORE weight to the 7 counted sims. If the 72 m/c on the real exam between the first 2 testlets is 50% of your score, then each m/c only counts for 50/72 = .69% of your score, not even 1 point!!! And then each sim (50/7) counts for 7.14% of your score, or about 7 points each sim. So that's why missing even one sim will cost you 7 points on the exam, while missing 7 m/c questions would only cost you 5 points. So sims are clearly way more important. And problem is, one or 2 of the sims require you to understand the totally and documentation and purpose fully before you can answer ANY of the questions, so you basically can't even do the sim till you've read through all the procedure's purpose, the memos, and then the F/S and/or chart of accounts/other supporting documents.
    The most difficult was the format – what they were asking on the sims is not straightforward like they used to. It's not like before (identify which threat to independence each scenario is threatening; or identify yes or no whether each situation impairs independence). No. It's more like, here's a bunch of documents. For each scenario – what test of control would detect or prevent this control deficiency(you have to count and spot the deficiency in the sample, it's not given), or for the material misstatement identified (which you have to actually count and identify, it may not be given, you have to spot it yourself), what balance sheet objective/assertion is relevant to the question (not given again), and what audit procedure would satisfy the relevant balance sheet objective. It's like, you studied so hard about cut-off procedures and search for unrecorded liabilities, but when it comes test time, a bunch of answer selections will look equally applicable, so you have to think really hard about what train of thought they are really asking for you to think about. As well as a lot of the multiple choice – many answer choices will look equally correct, and it's like 50/50 you just pick an answer – you should just stick with your first answer. They key for m/c is to work quickly and not get stuck on one question. If you can't answer it right away, mark it and move on. Get thru the whole testlet and then go back and try to answer ones marked. If you still can't answer it, narrow it down to 50/50 and just basically go with your first answer you thought, and get to the sims as fast as possible. The time was the most difficult. If I had an extra 30 minutes to do the one sim I skipped (analytical procedure), I would feel better about my score. The analytical procedure sims definitely take the longest, and were also taking me like 30 minutes to do one sim on the Becker practice exams. The ones on the real exam will be even longer than the ones on the Becker mock exams. So be prepared to read thru a lot of s*it. Good thing is, you'll get like 1 or 2 shorter sims to offset the longer ones, and research is quick too. So they're not all equally long. Like if you expected to allocate 45 mins to 3 sims,it might look like 25 mins on one, and then 10 mins on the other 2. On my past few Reg exams and even Aud this time, the pre-test and hardest sims came in the 3rd or 4th testlet. It always throws me for a loop and I waste 30 mins on it every time. I spent 30 mins on one, and am thinking now it was a pre-test sim because nothing made sense. It was like every balance sheet and expense balance was wrong, nothing reconciled or made sense, ratios were like upside down – when they were supposed to increase, they decreased, and when they were suppose to decrease, they increased. So if you see something funky and weird like that, it's probably a pre-test and if you catch yourself spending more than 20 mins on it, you should just move on and guess on it cause you need all the time for the other sims. The other hardest part is, all the sim answers are tricky. The shorter sims, if there are only 4 answer boxes, each one will be really tricky even if there's no documents to pop up and open. So the new sim formats – basically had I done a lot more sims from each chapter and seen more of the answers, I'd probably have worked through them faster. So key is to be familiar with as many of the sims as possible from Becker from each chapter – there's like 27 from modules 3 and 4 – I'd look through all of them. Looking through all the different sims so you are familiar with what sim could show up on the exam was is really helpful. They are nothing even like the sample AICPA audit sims. Those were slightly easier compared to what I just sat for. It's like one level more difficult than those sims. I didn't feel confident with most of my answer choices on the sims, that's what worried me. So practice practice practice as many sims as you can, you can't wing it like old exams. You'll actually have to do a few sims from each chapter, cause the new sims will come at you at a different angle than you're used to.

    #1819871
    GoVPI
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    The SIMs were the worst part for me for sure. I left the test center thinking to myself, the first MCq set was fairly good, only marked 3. Then the second one got tough and I was frustrated. Then I went onto SIMs and research was easy thankfully. But like above poster, there are a lot of documents that go along to one SIM and it’s like I wish I could’ve printed them out and been able to write on them and make notes but you can’t. I left 2 hours for SIMs and i finished about 25 mins early because I always leave 20 mins for research but it was fairly simple that’s why I finished early. I hope the one SIM I bombed was a pretest question.

    BEC 8/14/14 - Passed
    Graduated from college 12/13/14
    AUD 8/31/15 - 74. Retake - Passed
    REG
    FAR

    #1819885
    GoVPI
    Participant

    If I pass, I’ll be fairly surprised and it’ll have to be a 75 or barely over that. If I fail, I won’t be surprised. The SIMs were harder than I remember from two years ago when I passed audit (exam has changed since)

    BEC 8/14/14 - Passed
    Graduated from college 12/13/14
    AUD 8/31/15 - 74. Retake - Passed
    REG
    FAR

    #1819898
    MIsconnie
    Participant

    Sounds to me like AUD has the hardest SIMs these days that seems to be the common thread I am noticing

    #1819916
    Joetse
    Participant

    Ya my thoughts exactly about the exam – first testlet seemed easy, then 2nd m/c got started out easy and then got progressively much harder. Then the first 2 sims always take a really long time, they are usually medium to hard. Key is to work quickly through those. The research sim was easy and a familiar question, similar to the old exams. Unlike Reg research, which is usually a tax topic you've never seen before.

    #1819933
    rahee
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    So besides reviewing Becker Module 3-4 sims and the AICPA sims, what else should I do? Everytime I take a practice exam, I feel like I have a highlevel understanding, but get confused on the nitty gritty stuff (same issue as you all–I narrow it down to 2 options, and then struggle to pick one).
    What should I focus on? My exam is on Wed.

    #1820252
    paulb
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    Thanks for the information, very helpful. Would you mind sharing how many months you studied for AUD and if you did audit work in the real world?

    #1821224
    KC
    Participant

    Thanks for this post. I thought I was the only one who did not feel great after AUD this past Saturday. You literally took the words out of my mouth and for some odd reason every time I try to create a new topic it does not work. I had a similar experience, where the MCQs were easy then got more challenging, the research was easy, And the sims…… The sims had me thinking there's no way I will pass. It was frustrating because I studied like crazy (200+ hrs) given that this was my last exam. I was trending a 97 on ninja, I did every single question, and I scored an 83 on my becker mock exam. I was for sure I was prepared. My becker expires next week and my FAR expires on September 3rd. Honestly, I don't think I could have done anything more to prepare (ninja and becker MCQs, all becker sims, Becker flashcards, ninja audio, ninja notes, Becker outlines, my own notes, and I have audit experience with a big 4). Hopefully, with everyone having a similar experience leaves hope that we will all pass. But now we wait………

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    Anonymous
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    How do SIMs compare to AICPA Sample test?

    #1821265
    KC
    Participant

    @AF, in my opinion, the SIMS are representative of the exam, but they are there to help those taking the exam get use to the format. There are 3-5 sims (cannot remember the exact amount) compared to a testing bank of who knows how many sims. I recommend using the AICPA practice for familiarity and for some extra practice, but from my experience they help but so much. Depends on the person.

    #1822841
    Joetse
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    I had a lot of reports/modifications, i/c and substantive procedures, and analytical procedures and segregation of duties questions. But every exam is different and you might get a different concentration of topics or totally different topics that I did. But I feel Becker's mock exams focused on those subjects and so did my exam. Definitely not representative of the %s the AICPA blueprints showed. I hardly had any ethics questions (nowhere near the 20% it said would be on there). Definitely had more reporting questions that what the AICPA blueprints said would be on there. I hardly had any single audit questions and I was expecting a bunch on that. I had a lot of SSARS review questions. Focus on basics – stuff that your college textbook would teach. The different reports like qualified, disclaimer, other matter/emphasis of matter, etc in each different situation where it would require modification or extra paragraph. Focus on analytical procedures, internal control, and audit evidence/procedures.
    KC – 83 is better than what I was scoring on the practice exams and should be enough to get you a 75 on the actual exam. If you were able to answer all the sims, feels like you should be in passing range. Depends on how much you practiced. I know I'm still weak on segregation of duties and analytical procedures, and need to pick up my speed on those. So, it's getting used to what they're trying to have you think about, and anticipating that instead of just reading and reading all their statements and links you have to click on. Usually they're asking you to understand the year over year change of certain ratios, how to apply materiality, how to UNDERSTAND how one ratio is change relative to another ratio, etc. So it means you have to understand how each account affects another, like the relationship between BS and I/S and between related accounts, like A/R, A4U, and revenue; COGS, income, inventory and obsolescence, etc. So you'd have to know how a change or reversing entry would affect the ratios. The real exam is about representative of Becker mock exams. I only studied for 6 weeks but full time. About 180 hours maybe. If you do audit for real life, you should do very well on the timeline and quality control and tick mark sims, as well as analytical procedures. Everything else is theory, so real life audit doesn't help in that respect. You just gotta do as many Becker sims and m/c as you can until you've seen all the answers. I learn most from the answers.

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