When Public experience doesn't help? - Page 2

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    iceman
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    I got this profile from a recruiter who is looking to fill positions for me:
    This is in Denver. $75K for 7 years in Public acct???

    Meanwhile, my SIL just STARTED her first FT job as a corporate tax associate in Industry following her Masters. No experience except for part time internships. She is just beginning her CPA, and they gave her $70-75K to start out.
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    Candidate :
    • Tax Senior
    • CPA
    • 7 years of experience, all in public accounting
    • Industries: Real Estate, Medical, Technology, & Financial Services
    • Forms 1120, 1120S, 1065, 1041, 709, 1040 and 1041
    • Excels at building meaningful relationships with clients
    • Software: CCH, PeachTree, and Oracle
    • Multi-lingual
    • BS in Accounting
    • $75K

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    Jimmy Dugan
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    @Adam
    What a frat star you must have been. Literally every response starts with Senior, Chicago, blah blah. Congrats man, you make a living wage for your area. You have a nice, linear plan for advancement and you may achieve some of that, but the reality is your utter lack of self-awareness will keep you from getting very far. The only way you're ever going to be a partner is if your mom starts a firm and doesn't care if the clients despise you.

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    JRG24
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    @DM

    I am completely aware that the CPA is a certification and not a job title. I am also aware that it is by no means a guarantee that the holder of a CPA is good accountant, or even a good employee/manager. Likewise for public experience. Also, I do not want to knock public experience. If I could go back and do it again I would probably go that route because quite frankly, it most likely would have been easier. I have mentioned this before on here, but there have been many days at my company that I get there before our big 4 auditors get there and watch them walk out the door every night as I sit at my desk. The idea that work/life improves significantly is at the very least not always true. There are plenty of financial reporting roles that would assert this point as well.

    If this was $150k in NYC, Chicago, LA, the bay area, etc, I would agree with you. But it isn't. I will always want more but this wage is more than livable and will allow me to put my kids through private school. A CPA is not and was not a requirement for the job. No indication was made that I needed to obtain the certification as one of the terms of my employment. In my current company, I can tell you that zero value is placed on public experience. It doesn't hurt, but it is not especially valued. This appears to be the case in my new company as well. True, you will not find this attitude in the fortune 500, but there are plenty of other fish in the sea.

    You say that “Companies pay up for highly certified people (CPA, MBA, etc.) and great managers (because there are so few in this world)” This is true. But please realize one of these things is more valuable than the other. Being a great manager should ALWAYS be more valuable than an MBA or certification (unless it is a statutory requirement). Would you rather have a manager that has no certifications with a great track record of supporting and leading teams, or someone like Adam that has every cert in the world and knows EVERYTHING and is not afraid to tell you?

    And yes, having a CPA and public experience will open more doors. That is an unequivocal fact that cannot be ignored. The system would not work the way that it does if it didn't. I will admit there are companies that would never consider me for a senior role. That's their choice and more power to them. The point is it is not the only way to be successful and there is plenty of other pathways for success if sommeone is willing to put in the effort. In fact, I think the last two sentences in your post prove this since I am 7 years in and essentially make the same as what you assert a public manager will make leaving to industry? OK, so I'm no better off than a public manager leaving to industry but am fairly well on par. I'll take that as a win. I wonder how many CPA's working in public that will never get to that level even after switching to industry? I'm sure the amount is not insignificant.

    Again, I am not trying to knock the traditional path. But making people feel like there is no hope of success unless you follow it is false. I know this isn't the stated purpose of this thread, it is essentially the point it is beating around.

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    DM
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    @Adam – no partner makes 10mil. Partners are generally salary capped around 150-300k, with LP distributions as bonus. And those bonuses vary each distribution. All said and done, a successful partner should bring in about 300-500k in total comp (hopefully keeping the same partnership interest). If partners lose revenue during the period, then their LP interest declines, reducing bonus. Tenured partners, regional heads, service line champions and specialists make a little more on the salary side. Big4 national partners can make 7 figures with a 1 in front (AT THE MOST), which takes 20-30 years of work OR bringing in several enormous client accounts.
    Managers can open their own shop, but this usually starts out as tax planning for individuals. So you can help grandma and grandpa maximize their IRA contributions/distributions. I'd love to hear how you expect to onboard corporate clients with only 7-10 years industry experience.
    Another thing real quick – When you get to manager, you will have many clients/projects. Your work will double/triple and so your salary will reflect that. Those who go into private are usually looking to settle down, you know this. Reducing the work load. So in terms of hourly wages, you may be losing as an all-star manager in public. And bonus is bigger in private even though salary may plateau. You can't really say one is better over the other, it is all about the person and their needs.

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