What Am I Doing?

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    GoCPAGo1985
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    Many…many years ago, I was not a desirable member of this forum. That’s my fault. My opinions were influenced by my own hubris…my own arrogance. Like many people who participate in this forum, I’m not an unintelligent person. I definitely let that go to my head. And while it got me temporarily suspended from this great site, which was a total *bummer*; it has also landed me in hot water with my job on more than one occasion. I’ve since recovered professionally but I do sometimes wonder if I got in the right profession (been working full time in acctg for 6 yrs; public at first — private now [public company]; manager-level right now).

    I guess my question is a multi-part question — 1) does anyone else struggle with emotional IQ? To clarify, does anyone else struggle to handle what some might perceive as blatant stupidity from co-workers? 2) Has anyone else been formally reprimanded for being too “blunt” and “to the point”? If so, may I ask how you corrected the behavior? 3) Has anyone else been at it for more than 5 years and started to wonder, “what the F am I doing?”? Will I ever be happy with my job?

    I don’t know, people. I’m having some serious doubt around whether or not I chose the right career path. Now I’m married, talking about children, and it’s way too late to change. Scares the hell out of me.

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  • #1395831
    Missy
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    If you're just considering children you're fairly young and have more than half your career in front of you so it's hardly too late to change.

    Humility is something that requires practice and more practice. It's getting yourself to the point you THINK “this person's an idiot” but SAY “I can see you're struggling with this let's step back and figure it out.” Has nothing to do with education or credentials, I work with someone who has the same unfortunate struggle with patience and humility and isn't in accounting nor does he have a degree. Being a parent forces you to be humble, like nothing else would. In the meantime you need to go to great pains to control your emotions instead of letting them control you.

    Licensed Massachusetts Non Reporting CPA since 2012
    Finance/Admin/HR Manager

    #1395836
    Anonymous
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    I have a few thoughts, and I'll try to keep these roughly in logical order, but no promises cause I'm writing quick before getting ready for work. 🙂

    1. People are stupid. All of 'em, every day. Some people's stupidities are more specifically annoying to each of us than other people's stupidities, and some are smarter than others, but all people are pretty stupid. If you work a job around people (which is pretty much all jobs..), you're going to have to deal with stupidity. That's the bad side of things. That's also why my boyfriend, who has Aspergers (high intelligence, lower tolerance for social BS), has decided to work from home, in roles with minimal contact with normal people. If dealing with stupid people is specifically hampering your career, this might be an option to consider. I hope to work from home someday for a plethora of reasons, but getting to choose my amount of interaction with the general stupid populace is definitely on the list.

    2. I don't think accounting has a specifically higher ratio of stupid people. So, I don't think changing careers would be specifically likely to help anything. I work currently at a college campus, so I interact with professors from various fields, admissions (aka sales 😛 ) staff, tech staff, strategists, etc. etc. – all the roles that it takes to run a business, basically. There's a fair amount of stupidity throughout all of them; the accounting department isn't less-stupid than the others, or more-stupid than the others, but the stupidities are ones that I can handle being around better (for the most part). Given that accounting is a professional field, I would think the average IQ is slightly higher than some other fields, so a career change isn't likely to help a lot.

    3. I think each person has stupidities that particularly annoy them; avoiding conversations on those tends to help. One of my recent coworkers has terrible personal financial management (this was within the accounting department). That's a topic that bugs me when someone is just simply stupid about it; I learned that, with her, I should avoid conversations about personal finances if at all possible, so that I didn't say something I shouldn't. This might seem like “duh” point, but it's a big way I avoid problems, so I'm sharing it anyway.

    4. Best way to avoid problems: learn ways to say/express what you really think without others really knowing what you're saying. Knowing a few good cuss words in a foreign, little-known language can be good for this; if you mutter them under your breath, and someone hears, they still don't know. (I use these mostly when I'm reading an email that's crazy and I can't keep it in – if someone walking by hears me, they won't know what I'm saying, and it keeps me from sending a stupid email back…but, not useful in conversation. haha.) Having a desk that allows you to flip someone off under the desk without them seeing over the desk can be helpful. Etc. This has to be used carefully, so that it doesn't make the problem worse (if you get yourself riled up), but can help to release some steam before dealing with whatever caused the issue.

    5. Similar note: having a safe venting person/place is important, too. Some venting can be done with a coworker, but mostly this needs to be something outside of work: someone in your personal life, yelling at the steering wheel, whatever it takes.

    6. I think the higher an individual's intelligence (at least in the subject matter being discussed), the harder it is for them to handle stupidity around them. So, you might be more intelligent than average in your office/town/etc.; that means there's more things that will seem absurdly stupid, and more things likely to set you off. Try to realize this is a good thing (the higher intelligence), and realize that it's something they don't have the benefit of having, and allow that to modify your response slightly.

    Overall…yes, I've dealt with it seeming like the people around me are complete idiots at times. If people are willing to learn, I can curb this by helping them see how to do it better next time etc., but when they're obstinate and stupid, I sometimes have to just walk away from the situation till I can handle it. Trying to minimize contact with stupid people on their stupid topics can help, but only to an extent. And…I've had a bit of the “you're too blunt”, but since I'm from the North and I now live in a small Southern town, it's considered a cultural thing, and I guess people give me a bit more grace on it for that reason.

    Also, having an Aspie boyfriend who naturally has these issues 10-fold (higher intelligence so everyone around is pretty stupid by comparison; likelihood to say exactly what needs to be said instead of sugar-coating it; etc.), and learning how he's modified his behaviors to be able to work in the general work-world (before he switched to work-from-home), has helped me to understand how to manage my own similar issues.

    P. S. If this is an extreme issue, it might be worth looking up Asperger's Syndrome (though it's now officially an Autism Spectrum Disorder, but it's been known as Asperger's for many years and still good resources under that name), and see if it might be the root of your struggles. These struggles exist for people (like me) that aren't Aspie, but can be particularly profound for Aspies, So…if you've never looked it up, might be worth a review and see if it describes you. If so, it doesn't change what you can or can't do (you can be an Aspie accountant), but it might help you understand what's going on better and how to move forward. Understanding that my boyfriend was Aspie and it was the source of some of his struggles helped him and I both to approach them better and get better results, and understand how he can use his strengths most effectively. At first it's a little scary, like “Hey, yesterday, I was a fully functioning adult; today I found out I'm autistic; what now?”, but when you realize nothing's changed and you've just got more information to accurately assess yourself vs. others, it can help a LOT.

    #1395876
    DISLCPA
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    I'm too high strong, germaphobe, smartass, blunt, no tolerance for stupid people, I would also come off defensive even if I wasn't trying to be. Lost a few jobs because of it when I was in my early 20's, as you get older (40 now) you become more aware of situations that will bring the bad out in you so you learn to avoid or control your behavior. Talking to a therapist helped me and now I am on anti depressants and anxiety medication.

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    #1395896
    aaronmo
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    I read emotions well, I just sometimes don't care. My issue is that I'm somewhat intolerant to certain behaviors/types of people and I'm not good at faking the effort. I'm also very impatient and have a tendency towards being judgmental. I'm good at empathy, I'm good at seeing other perspectives…but when I think someone is self centered, or an idiot, I tend to behave in unproductive ways.

    What helped me was actually marriage…I was 100% committed to being a good husband, and that meant a lot of humility and patience. That rubbed off on me in other ways. I also had to be honest with myself and realized that, to be happy, I am somewhat restricted in things I'd want to do. I don't work well with people I don't respect, so I have to be picky going in. I'm better in small groups and smaller companies. I also have worked to improve some of my blind spots.

    I'll tell you this…in most companies I've been part of, getting along is more important than ability. You want to stay under the radar. I've also learned that while I'm very intelligent in some ways, and while I'm extremely well educated and knowledgeable in a few areas…I'm awful in areas as well. TERRIBLE. I try to remember that other people could easily judge me for my weaknesses, and I should be less quick to judge.

    Generally I think empathy is a good thing, and…when in doubt:

    Shut up.
    Do the work.
    Just be nice.

    I ask myself all of the time…what would my wife say/do in this situation?

    #1395897
    aaronmo
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    DISLCPA – I've had a lot of that too. Some of it comes from self esteem stuff, some of it comes from just arrogance. I think every day we get better is a good day…and knowing our butts stink is a key to improvement.

    #1395909
    aaronmo
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    I personally have found accountants, in general, to be easy to work with…that's a BIG part of why I wanted this route. My natural inclinations and abilities also would have me in law, but lawyers have more ego…more bombast. In a moment of self awareness, I realized that though I might be a legal “type”, I prefer accountant “types”.

    The folks I struggle with are HR (and I ran an HR department), sales types and anyone I suspect is in their position due to nepotism. I have a serious aversion to BS…but the reality is that BS is part of our society and you can't go around like socrates looking for an honest man. At least if you want to be happy.

    #1395951
    Missy
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    I used to have a fairly short fuse and certainly came across as impatient and ruled by emotion rather than reason. Took me decades to become patient and rational when I wanted to throw an iced coffee at someone.

    NOW the only type of person I have no use for is the type that just demands my help without respecting my workload or thanks. Basically the jerks who actually refer to me as the office secretary…………

    Licensed Massachusetts Non Reporting CPA since 2012
    Finance/Admin/HR Manager

    #1397541
    GoCPAGo1985
    Participant

    Thank you, everyone, for your responses. I'm grateful you took the time to write back to me. @DISLCPA – I'm sorry to hear that it cost you jobs in the past and that you sought therapy to help you manage your work issues…I could probably learn a thing or two from a therapist. @aaronmo — you and I are peas in a pod — I feel very much the same way. I also think you have a great approach…I too, try to ask myself, “what would my wife do” when I feel myself getting irritated over something. @mla — that's a load of BS and I hope you smack them upside the head. What has helped me curb my behavior in recent months is making it a rule not to respond to stupid e-mails for at least an hour. But I still feel that anger inside and I feel like that's probably unhealthy for me, both physically and mentally.

    Re: my career — I don't know…I feel like I am doing what I am probably best suited for given my inherent strengths and weaknesses…I think I was just having a real “Office Space” moment where sometimes I fantasize about blue collar work. Construction, Plumbing, Electrical — tough work, yes — honest work, yes — but I'm sure many (not all) of those men and women don't have anxiety about their job when they leave work or work 14-16 hour days or even think about their job at 1am or on the weekend. But then again, some of them (again, not all) are probably not compensated to the same level many of us may be by comparison, so it's all about the opportunity cost in the end I suppose.

    Anyway, I do appreciate all the replies. We had a pre-Xmas party with friends that night and I think a couple of rounds of grandpa's old cough medicine made me a little whiny about the whole thing.

    #1397553
    mschnei42
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    You should start your own company. It's not only a humbling experience (i.e., in the beginning, you'll get your butt kicked and reconsider your own intelligence haha), but it also grants you complete control over those you hire.

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    #1397933
    ct0516
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    You're at least aware of this and want to work on it, and that's awesome.
    In all honesty, it sounds like a control issue. Yes, people can be stupid. People probably think you can be stupid- wondering why you would actually say things you do out loud. I guess my point is for every annoyance you put up with, someone puts up with with something annoying from you. The universe in balance again.

    Every day, you need to work on letting go, and really accepting what you cannot control. You will be much calmer. I agree with Mia, being a parent will humble you like no other. Kids will do really stupid shit. You cannot control who they are as a person. Then they will say something to you that is so insightful and amazing. You're not alone in career burnout, I think this happens to everyone, and it's very easy to second guess yourself. Maybe you need some time off, or a hobby- something that would really give you enjoyment and a relieve some stress.

    #1451276
    AccountingisMagic
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    I don't know if the people you consider stupid or lazy are under your supervision or directly report to you, but I've learned to understand that most of the time it's not their fault it's their leader's. You see, you're only as smart as you're taught to be. So if you're stupid, it's really a reflect on bad leadership. Again, not in all cases but most. I really learned that in the Army. The best units always had the most dedicated leaders who were focused on training, mentorship, and support. They didn't just walk in and expect everyone to know how to do his or her job.

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