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May 15, 2011 at 10:44 pm #160290PackerFanParticipant
Hello everyone,
Recent college grad here. Year of experience in private industry working mainly with corporate reporting, metal hedging, and responsible for accurate inventory. I’m 3/4 of my CPA complete and thinking about making a run at a big four firm. I was wondering whether anyone had any advice to help me acheive this goal!
I am a cheesehead, but would love to re-locate. I am a little nervous about moving away from my home-state without a job offer, but I think with a CPA after my name, I should be alright?
Another71 forum posters, enlighten me with your experiences and wonderful words of wisdom!
Kevin.
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May 15, 2011 at 11:19 pm #282025AnonymousInactive
I would highly recommend talking to others who currently work in auditing, and make sure it's really what you want to do. Public accounting is VERY different that working in the private industry, and the experience working at a small, medium, or big 4 firm is also going to be very different.
I was in public accounting for two years right out of college, and personally it really wasn't for me. I was at a smaller regional firm, which was good because you got to work on different accounts and different clients every week. (At a big 4 firm, you can spend a month just auditing cash at one client. And you will be stuck just auditing cash at other clients too. At a smaller firm, you get more opportunities to work on different accounts. You also get to work directly on the report.)
Some of the biggest things I DIDN'T know going into it:
1) Being out of town is terrible. I didn't really know what “10% travel required” meant, and it turned out to be more like 50% travel. Imagine being out of town 2 weeks out of every month, and sometimes it was 12 weeks or more in a row. I know others who were out of town 80% or more of the time. It just depended on where your clients were at. Also, all those out of town expenses are put on your personal credit card! So if you are already carrying a balance, then you will accrue interest charges until the firm reimburses you, which could be several weeks. And the hotels they put you in aren't always the nicest…
2) Sure they give you some training, but its really trial under fire. I dont care what the recruiters say, in real life, they give you a week or two of training, then expect you to be out there and perform like all the other staff. It doesnt matter if its ur first time auditing fixed assets, or that you've never worked on a not for profit client before. Its all about being under budget, getting billable hours,etc. You feel like “i was smart in college, im good at accounting, and i passed the CPA, so I can totally do this…WRONG! you will still be sitting there at the client's trying to audit internal controls over accounts payable, and even though its the tenth time you've done this, you will still feel a little uncomfortable and not totally know what you are doing. It really does take a year before you get the hang of it and start feeling more comfortable.
3) Its highly competitive. At my firm, every Jan and Dec they would fire the bottom 2% and hire 4-6 new people. You were given a 5 page evaluation EVERY WEEK, and every month they would rank you against each other and publish it for everyone in the firm to see. there was also alot of favoritism, and more than once I had someone throw me under the bus for something that was actually their mistake.
So that was my experience in public accounting. And from what my friends who work at one of the big-4 firms have told me, its not any different. I thought working for a smaller regional firm that I could avoid some of that drama, but it didn't seem to matter.
I know everyone's experience is going to be different, so talk to alot of people about how they feel about their jobs and try to imagine yourself in that same position. I will say that public accounting experience is highly desirable in the private industry. After my two years of public accounting I got a job as an project manager in the private industry.
May 16, 2011 at 12:07 am #282026PackerFanParticipantHey Cal, thanks for the input! Where I'm at now is really nice. Office with a window, great work environment. The downside though is lower salary and not much room for growth in the company. I don't want to get stuck here! I think office politics is everywhere though; we are allh human!
That is excellent advice though about talking to others. In my head I just about have my mind made up, but I really should talk to some of my classmates who went into the public field before blindly making the jump.
Did you have to re-locate for work? Have you ever moved without a job offer waiting for you? Right now I'm about 50 miles away from where I grew up; and I love Wisconsin and my family and friend network, but I want to make sure I see the world before I bunker down and make a life for myself!
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BEC 80May 16, 2011 at 1:20 am #282027AnonymousInactiveYour current job sounds nice. 🙂 I totally understand wanting to move up, especially since you've almost passed the CPA exam. I think if you really enjoy having an office, seeing the same people every day, having a predictable work schedule, etc, then stay in private industry. Once I pass the exam I know I will be looking for a new job with a larger company that I can move up in too.
One of my favorite things about working in private industry now is making coffee and having breakfast in the break room every morning. It's nice to see the same people every day, catch up about what they did over the weekend, etc. I never had that in public accounting. Didn't have an office before either, at my old firm only the SVP's and partners got an office.
I've never relocated without a job offer, and I really wouldnt recommend it. I have known people to relocate from out of state and had to fly somewhere for an interview, or to look for an apartment. It's expensive flying back and forth, but I would rather do that then move somewhere without an offer.
I went to college 45 min from where I grew up, then moved about an hour and a half away when I got my job offer. I ended up buying a house, getting married to my high school sweetheart, and started a family of two cats and a dog. I don't think i'll ever move too far away. 🙂 I love being close to family, and I really like it in California. I understand that some people want to explore the world before they settle down. Ive always been more of a homebody and always knew that this is where i wanted to be. 🙂
May 16, 2011 at 5:10 am #282028misanthrope87ParticipantI do government and non-profit audits. My firm isn't big 40-50 people? I wouldn't know since we don't get to see everyone.
Pros:
-At my firm, you can get away with doing 65 hours during busy season(other firms will require you to put more hours in)
-I really really like the people in my firm.
-I guess it can be nice not to do the same thing everyday.
-It really is great experience since you get exposure to many aspects of accounting. If you can endure 2 years of audit, you're golden.
Cons:
-Audit firms work you to the bone, treat you like a slave.
-You'll never get complimented.
-The pay isn't that great considering how many hours you put in.
-It sucks to travel.
-You never know what the heck you're doing.
-Training is very little or non existent. But they'll expect you to know how to audit even though you've never done it.
-It's not very healthy to work so much and rest so little. You'll feel it.
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F 5/12 88May 16, 2011 at 1:55 pm #282029kandisjoyParticipantI feel like I wrote what CalCPASoon said about public accounting!
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May 17, 2011 at 2:48 am #282030PackerFanParticipantI really appreciate all the sound advice everyone! My grades weren't extraordinary in college, but I did well to pad the resume with internships, scholarships and campus involvement. I also have a year under my belt in the realm of private accounting and have just one more test to pass to have my CPA complete.
I really want to make sure I get some public accounting experience under my belt. Big four would be “the dream”, even after hearing everyones replies, I still think it's something that every CPA should experience (what I hear a lot of professors/recruitors say!), and I feel the same.
Is it possible to get in though? Would my best option to start at a regional firm and work my way up that way?
This forum is incredible. The ability to talk with people in the same shoes, or have been in your shoes, is amazing. Thanks again everyone for your time and invaluable advice!
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BEC 80May 17, 2011 at 3:23 am #282031AnonymousInactiveMost people I know get in to the big 4 during the college recruitment process. Thats the easiest way for sure, but its only available if you are currently a student. You would have to apply as an “experienced hire” meaning that you are out of college and have had some accounting experience (could be industry experience or public accounting at another firm). The problem is that there aren't any open staff positions for experienced hires because all the college recruits take up those positions. If you go to one of the big 4's website, you'll see that when you run a job search there are more open positions the higher up you go. Meaning there are no staff level positions, a few senior positions, a few more for managers, etc. You are probably going to have to start out at a smaller firm in order to gain experience and apply for a senior or above position at a Big 4 firm later on.
Even if you know someone at one of the Big 4, it probably won't help you because it wont solve the problem of there being no open staff positions. Especially this time of year because their new class staff training usually starts in June, so they've already filled all the entry level positions.
Also, there are some huge national firms like Grant Thorton LLP, Moss Adams LLP, McGladrey and Pullen LLP, BDO Seidman LLP. These firms don't have international operations as large as the Big-4 do, but they are still in the top 10 largest firms in the country. You might want to check them out. They recruit pretty heavily at the college level too, but you still might be able to find something…
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