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August 30, 2014 at 10:01 pm #188305
Peanut Butter is GoodParticipantI am currently unemployed, but will graduate this Fall with MS in Accounting. I want to begin my accounting career working in an accounting firm (preferably public, even more preferably top 10 or big 4), so I am applying to every accounting firm job I see get posted, in the hopes that someone will take me. This will add up to a hell of a lot of applications. Figure around 20-25 firms, all of which post 2-4 different job/internship opportunities.
However, I am worried that I still could get passed over by everyone. In that case, I would still need to work. For that reason, I am starting to wonder if I should be applying to random corporate accounting jobs/internships as well. What holds me back is that I might not be able to take off work to go interview for better (cpa firm type) jobs if they start me working right now, and that I will have less opportunity down the line.
Should I hold out until I get the right job? Or just start working wherever (corporate). I am not about to go broke and can hold on without a job at least until January. Is this smart?
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August 30, 2014 at 10:15 pm #636801
jbisdamonMemberThis is just my personal opinion from family experience, so take it from what it's worth. Considering that you are still in school, I wouldn't be to worried about accepting a job offer immediately. If your GPA is decent and you have any kind of interview skills there will be a public accounting firm that will want you somewhere. The reason I chose to go public after graduation was simply that you move up faster. You can expect to get promoted early and often (relatively), where if you go to work for a private you might be working as a staff for five years before there's an opportunity to move up, where five years down the road in public you're easily a senior and maybe more depending. So say you make it in public for 8 years and make manager or something like that, you could easily be qualified to be the controller of a pretty big company. My dad took this road in his day and was controller of very large private company by the time he was 32. So in the long run, the public experience will be more impressive and helpful for you in the future, in my opinion.
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FAR - 87 11/24/14August 30, 2014 at 10:31 pm #636802
Peanut Butter is GoodParticipantI am inclined to agree with you. I worry that there are a few strikes against me, because I am a non-traditional candidate. I am 29, and had pitiful undergrad grades. But, as an MS student, I have a 3.6, confidence, and I'm working out everyday to maintain a 21-year-appearance. But, I also have bad luck. It just worries me that I could get left out in the cold by these firms. Not that I deserve it, or am expecting it, but I accept the reality that it is a possibility, and I'm trying to make sure I have a backup plan. All that being said, I am inclined to zero in on only accounting firms, and wait for a bite.
August 30, 2014 at 10:43 pm #636803
AnonymousInactive“I am currently unemployed, but will graduate this Fall with MS in Accounting.”
Great, then you'll still have fall recruiting & career fairs. Also, I wouldn't consider you unemployed, I'd consider you to be just a full-time student.
“I want to begin my accounting career working in an accounting firm (preferably public, even more preferably top 10 or big 4), so I am applying to every accounting firm job I see get posted, in the hopes that someone will take me.”
Definitely utilize your on-campus resources. In my experience applying to campus postings have much higher success than applying via online to company's job ads.
“This will add up to a hell of a lot of applications. Figure around 20-25 firms, all of which post 2-4 different job/internship opportunities.”
Once again, focus on the firms that recruit at your school and apply thru your college's joblink website whenever possible. Also, do not apply to multiple different positions at the same firm (it shows that you don't know what you really want – and then they'll ignore all of your applications). Just pick one opening at each.
“However, I am worried that I still could get passed over by everyone.”
Try not to get too stressed out with the process. It takes time and everything will work out okay. Remember, a lot of majors don't even end up looking for work until after graduating – so you already have a head start. As long as you keep at it and are smart about it, you'll definitely have something at least by 6 months after graduating (which is better than can be said for many).
“In that case, I would still need to work. For that reason, I am starting to wonder if I should be applying to random corporate accounting jobs/internships as well.”
Yes, once the fall term starts, go to your schools career fair, check out company open houses/events in your nearest big city, browse those big company's postings located in your area.
“What holds me back is that I might not be able to take off work to go interview for better (cpa firm type) jobs if they start me working right now, and that I will have less opportunity down the line.”
This is shady as shit. Don't plan on accepting an industry job to just then apply for public jobs. First of all, you should only be looking at jobs with start dates after you graduate. Secondly, you should only accept if you can see yourself working there for at least a year (which may be the length of time for you to really figure out how you feel about it). Also, generally those fortune 500 entry level jobs pay better than the ‘better cpa firm type' jobs – and many of them have growth opportunities just as good as public accounting.
“Should I hold out until I get the right job? Or just start working wherever (corporate).”
Just to be clear – public does not equal right. So yes, try to hold out for a good position at a good company – but also be open to new experiences. You are so very laser focused on public accounting, no doubt you are missing out on some fantastic opportunities that pay better and offer better opportunity.
“I am not about to go broke and can hold on without a job at least until January. Is this smart?”
Not sure what you are saying, You are saying you gradate in Fall (and fall term usually ends in December) and that you need a job ASAP in January. No that's bad planning on your part. Keep in mind, depending on when you are able to get an offer as well as the needed start date of that offer, you may have to get a ‘college student' type job in the meantime to pay monthly expenses. As long as your career job starts before your student loan payments begin, you should be fine.
“If your GPA is decent and you have any kind of interview skills there will be a public accounting firm that will want you somewhere.”
This is not my experience at all. I graduated from a great master of accounting program (with all good to fantastic students) and there were many that had their hearts set on public (due to the campus recruiting propaganda) and didn't get any offers. I think it really depends on your school and how competitive your area/state is. A lot of great corporate gigs hire in the fall, so I'd definitely encourage students to look into those during fall recruiting as well.
And if you don't get an offer right away, it is not because your interview skills suck – it's just very competitive out there. Don't stress too much and keep at it, things will work out.
August 31, 2014 at 1:02 am #636804
jbisdamonMemberOne more suggestion to you is that I wouldn't be concerned with only going the big 4 route. Ya it looks great on resume's in the future, but I personally decided not to go big 4 after interviewing with them and realizing it wasn't the life I wanted to live. i now have a great job with a great regional firm with great benefits that pays the same the big 4 does in my area. So be open to smaller firms too, as some of them will surprise you.
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FAR - 87 11/24/14September 1, 2014 at 12:17 am #636805
Peanut Butter is GoodParticipantI don't have student loans. Everything is paid upfront. Before you get the wrong idea that I am overly privileged, I will say upfront that the only reason I have any money is because I have a lot of dead relatives who left me a little bit in their will. Or else I would be in a much different situation.
I am only graduating this Fall, instead of having already graduated, because last Fall I worked an accounting internship at a pharmaceutical firm, was basically assured an offer in writing, and then suddenly let go in December with no particular reason (and I did everything right over there), after it was too late, and hiring season was basically done.. Sooooo, I purposely drew out my last few classes to this fall so that I could take advantage of campus recruiting during hiring season.
As far as when jobs start….Accounting firms are structured enough in their hiring practices that they schedule your start dates to coincide with graduating. Corporate jobs, however, usually do not. If they hire me, they will probably want me to start immediately. This is not all-inclusive, but it is my understanding based on the people I know who have such jobs.
September 1, 2014 at 12:18 am #636806
Peanut Butter is GoodParticipantA lot of that was in response to Anonny, if anyone was wondering.
December 25, 2014 at 9:18 am #636807
AnonymousInactiveYeah I am also a graduate with MS in Accounting. I was confused about my future in accounting, then my former professor Dr. Aloke Ghosh who is a professor of financial accounting at Columbia University School of Continuing Education suggested me some of best career options. So grateful of him.
December 25, 2014 at 2:43 pm #636808
ruggercpa2bParticipantPeanut Butter I think you should be open minded but if you are like me it doesn't matter what people tell me. If I am set on doing something that is all I focus on. I feel like you are going through the job search with blinders. There are probably a ton of great opportunities out there that you are missing out on because you are so focused on public accounting. Based on the other threads you have started I feel like you have been given lots of great advice but you are so set on being in public you aren't really hearing what those that say you have other options are saying.
I worked in industry after college and a lot of us that got offers actually did not start till after graduation. I started 2 months after graduation, I went to Europe and then came back and started working. So, its not true that a corporation will want you to start right away. You just have to tell them you cant start till after graduation. I worked in industry for 5 years and then decided I wanted to get into public accounting. I started at a Big 4 at 33 and stayed for 2.5 years. You can go into industry and then make the switch.
I also do not agree that you get promoted faster in public vs private. Public accounting promotions are more structured and you know if you get good ratings and people you work with like you then you will get to senior in 3 years. And then manager in so many years. In industry there a lot of companies with growth potential. When I was looking to leave the Big 4 I was up front in my interviews that I wanted to be somewhere with professional growth opportunities. I also made sure I paid attention to those I interviewed with to make sure that I would not end up getting stuck. I turned down a job at one of the biggest healthcare companies because the position was just not a right for me and after actually talking to them about what they did in that role and I could not see myself being able to transition into another role.
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December 28, 2014 at 2:52 pm #636809
pnielsen1982MemberPublic firms are really hurting for people right now in a lot of markets. I just recruited this fall through my MAcc program and I can only think of one person that didn't get a job with a public firm that wanted it. A few years ago, they didn't hire anyone out of the MAcc program here and the only way into public was if you had an internship in your undergrad. If you want to do public accounting, now is definitely the time. I think your chances are a lot better if you're willing to go to a market where they have significant need, though (Texas and the Bay Area come to mind).
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