Public or No-Public

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    Anonymous
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    I am considering making a move to public after having held an industry role for a year, specifically a move to IT advisory in the west coast w/ a large regional firm. I’ve come up with a few questions for which I need objective and non-biased answers/opinions.

    1. What are some of the exit opportunities for IT audit/advisory? I know a lot of my friends have gone to work for IT and Internal Audit shops at F5s but I don’t want to be a life-long auditor.

    2. How long are the hours for advisory? I understand that hours in public are long, but how bad/many on an average inclusive of travel time?

    3. Is not having public accounting experience really that limiting?

    4. I want to maintain a healthy work-life balance, I don’t mind the occasional 60-70s but what I don’t want is to live to work. With that said, is the work life balance better at large regional/national mid-tier firms? Is work life balance better in advisory?

    5. How difficult of a shift is it from advisory to audit, just in case I decided this wasn’t a route for me? I currently hold a corporate accounting role and I think this would be a completely different turn for me. Would I be able to do corporate accounting again if I chose to later on in life?

    Thanks in advance.

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    I've only interned at my B4 IT Audit gig thus far and will be starting in September. These are my observations, which you should take with a grain of salt considering my limited experience:

    1. What are some of the exit opportunities for IT audit/advisory? I know a lot of my friends have gone to work for IT and Internal Audit shops at F5s but I don't want to be a life-long auditor.

    Pretty much that. Most people move into a middle-management role within one of the clients they had during their tenure at the firm. IT Audit is weird because the pedigree of the employees varies — half are technical and half are accounting people. IT people can hope to become a CIO or something of the sort, whereas audit people (I'd imagine) can take any exit path that people in regular assurance take (IT audit is audit after all. More specific sure, but much of the same skillset).

    2. How long are the hours for advisory? I understand that hours in public are long, but how bad/many on an average inclusive of travel time?

    Less than audit, but can still be a nightmare. My office is extremely short-staffed at the moment and I know everyone feels like killing themselves. When I saw some of them at the office party they were “joking” that they need the new staff to come in now instead of September. They have been working weekends (remotely) for the past 3 months and possibly for the next two

    3. Is not having public accounting experience really that limiting?

    Anywhere you can go from public you can likely go from private. It'll just take a lot longer. Whether you want to be in the fast lane or the slow lane is up to you.

    4. I want to maintain a healthy work-life balance, I don't mind the occasional 60-70s but what I don't want is to live to work. With that said, is the work life balance better at large regional/national mid-tier firms? Is work life balance better in advisory?

    To be honest, I think the notion that second tier firms work a lot less is recruiting tool garbage. I think that's one of the cards they use to try to pull away the best talent. If you work in public accounting, you're going to work many hours…period.

    5. How difficult of a shift is it from advisory to audit, just in case I decided this wasn't a route for me? I currently hold a corporate accounting role and I think this would be a completely different turn for me. Would I be able to do corporate accounting again if I chose to later on in life?

    I'd like to know this too, actually. On one hand, advisory is more desired so you'd think it's easier to go advisory–> audit. But then again, advisory is the service line making all of the profits for the firms right now, audit is not growing.

    #391097
    Anonymous
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    Hi mypetmeatball

    Thanks for responding. That was definitely very helpful!

    #391098
    Anonymous
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    anyone else have any input?

    #391099
    musicamor
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    Here are my answers. Please note, I have not worked in Big 4 nor IT audit–I worked for a small, regional public accounting firm as a staff and senior auditor. Most of my experience is in Corporate Accounting, as I transitioned out of public several years ago–with no desire to go back. I am currently a Financial Reporting Manager for a large company.

    1. What are some of the exit opportunities for IT audit/advisory? I know a lot of my friends have gone to work for IT and Internal Audit shops at F5s but I don't want to be a life-long auditor.

    This is a pretty specific focus, as such, you will probably be presented with Internal Audit opportunities for large, publicly-traded companies since smaller companies typically do not have internal audit functions. The other opportunities that you might be presented with are full-on IT roles, with no accounting. If you do not mind the shift away from accounting, IT roles may be your best option.

    2. How long are the hours for advisory? I understand that hours in public are long, but how bad/many on an average inclusive of travel time?

    As mypetmeatball has stated, hours in public accounting are long no matter where you are; although, audit seems to be where a crux of the long hours are concentrated. Audit has more of a climactic feel than does advisory. Audit will tend to work more hours around specific reporting deadlines, whereas advisory has more of an even spread of the hours. Again, regardless of where you work in public, the hours are long.

    3. Is not having public accounting experience really that limiting?

    It depends on what your future career goals are. For someone like me who likes Corporate Accounting, public accounting has been critically important for my career. I am actually looking for a new job and have been passed on because I do not specifically have Big 4 and public company clients within Big 4; I have public accounting, just not Big 4 and employers overlook me!! If getting into Corporate Accounting is not part of your future career aspirations, then I would probably say public is not all that limiting.

    4. I want to maintain a healthy work-life balance, I don't mind the occasional 60-70s but what I don't want is to live to work. With that said, is the work life balance better at large regional/national mid-tier firms? Is work life balance better in advisory?

    I do not have experience at large regional/nation mid-tier firms but from what I have seen, the answer to your question is “no.” Depending on the firm, work-life balance could be better in advisory because you're not necessarily trying to meet a reporting deadline; however, some audit roles have the climactic 65-75 hour work weeks right after year end/quarter end and then have normal hours outside of those time frames. On average, you might work less hours in advisory, but you might be working a constant 50 hrs/week all year long based upon the types of engagements you have.

    5. How difficult of a shift is it from advisory to audit, just in case I decided this wasn't a route for me? I currently hold a corporate accounting role and I think this would be a completely different turn for me. Would I be able to do corporate accounting again if I chose to later on in life?

    Typically, a shift from advisory to audit is not difficult, especially within the same firm. If you know the right people, you could make a smooth transition (probably a lateral one) and go right into Audit. If you were to make the same transition but mix in another firm, then you're probably looking at an increase in difficulty. Going from public accounting to Corporate Accounting is easy–since you have corporate accounting experience already, it's probably going to be easier for you. That said, depending on the role, you may experience some problems getting back into corporate accounting after years in public–it depends on the company and whether or not your will be specifically focused or more general, i.e., SEC reporting manager or Senior Corporate Accountant.

    I hope what I have written is helpful to you.

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    #391100
    Anonymous
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    Thanks for the help, musicamor.

    One thing I worry about working for this regional firm is being passed/overlooked for not having B4 experience, like you mentioned. But again I ask myself if I would want to work for a firm that only wants to hire B4 professionals over others just because they are from the B4, no offense. But I do understand how working for a regional firm may be limiting in terms of resources and eventually down to the experience that I will receive. Sorry, I digress.

    However, I do want to atleast be able to move up the ranks in accounting in industry, although not sure what role it will be.

    #391101
    musicamor
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    If you are setting your sights on a role in a publicly traded company, chances are your Big 4 experience will set you apart. I am getting overlooked time and time again because I do not have Big 4–I have an awesome resume with my CPA and almost my MBA; yet that Big 4 component gets me every time. Best wishes to you.

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    #391102
    jelly
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    For your last question, it can be a little tricky sometimes b/c some of the firms' independence rules don't support a switch between advisory and audit.

    Couldn't pass again!

    #391103
    Anonymous
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    I have worked in the accounting field for over 7 years now. I have never worked in public accounting and I have never had an issue finding a job that I feel betters myself and my career. I have worked for non-profits and for-profits. The only difficulty I had was trying to get into a regional CPA firm when I did not have any audit experience. I ended up taking a job with a company that did audits on contract for the Department of Insurance. Three years of experience in that made me a shoe-in for an internal audit position with a health insurance company.

    I didn't know where I wanted my career to go, but I have never worked more than a 40 hour work week (except for one three month period in which I had to work 48 hours a week and we all got bonuses equivalent to overtime). I hardly ever do work from home, unless I want to. I did get to travel when I audited and I loved it, but the travel can get tiresome. And if I need to leave to take care of my son for whatever reason, I never feel any pressure that being a mom doesn't come first.

    I don't feel like I'm in the slow lane because I didn't do big 4 or public accounting.

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    1. What are some of the exit opportunities for IT audit/advisory? I know a lot of my friends have gone to work for IT and Internal Audit shops at F5s but I don't want to be a life-long auditor.

    Don't know the answer to this exactly, but seems like an internal auditor role/IT auditor role in one of the clients would be the most common.

    2. How long are the hours for advisory? I understand that hours in public are long, but how bad/many on an average inclusive of travel time?

    It can be long, but not 3 months long of hellish hours. What I mean by this is that advisory is normally project based, so you'll be on a client for a few weeks at a time. Sometimes it's smooth sailing and others it can be rough. People who I've spoken to say it can get bad but not TERRIBLE (Meaning 60+ hour weeks)

    3. Is not having public accounting experience really that limiting?

    Yes, it can be. Everyone wants the B4 or public accounting experience depending where you want to go.

    4. I want to maintain a healthy work-life balance, I don't mind the occasional 60-70s but what I don't want is to live to work. With that said, is the work life balance better at large regional/national mid-tier firms? Is work life balance better in advisory?

    From what I've heard from associates (I'm going to work with a top 8 firm, not B4) it's not nearly as bad as Big 4. Now I don't know if the recruiters or managers/senior managers had the proverbial gun pressed against their back so to speak, but from first hand accounts it really doesn't seem too bad (All have worked around or less than 60 hour weeks in audit during busy season). However, as you move up the ranks you will find that you have more responsibility and have more stuff to do, so take that into consideration.

    5. How difficult of a shift is it from advisory to audit, just in case I decided this wasn't a route for me? I currently hold a corporate accounting role and I think this would be a completely different turn for me. Would I be able to do corporate accounting again if I chose to later on in life?

    I don't think it should be too hard of a shift. I had my internship in audit and switched to advisory pretty easily (usually this can be a little more difficult). They always need some bodies for audit engagement.

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    #391105
    Anonymous
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    Thanks everyone for your responses, Happy Holidays.

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