Let go After Tax Season

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  • #1536169
    pfloyd
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    Well, I got hired at a local firm for a probationary period of 90 days. The partners basically handed tax files to me and I tried my best to do the work without any errors. Unfortunately, I did make some errors and the one boss didn’t appreciate it. However, he was starting to finally warm up to me and help me out. This past week he told me that I didn’t fit in with the culture because I was the only young adult working there and they didn’t have time to train me and to not take it personally. Now I have to move off, but at least I have some experience. It is a little discouraging and having to balance more of my funds now since I lost my job. What do you guys think would be the best way to frame why I left or was let go in my future interviews. I am optimistic because I feel the next position I land will lead to an illustrious career. I was just inquiring if anyone had any interview advice.

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  • #1536183
    Jdn9201
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    That's a bummer, but I hope you won't take it too hard. If I were you, I'd give myself the weekend to just take a break and process it before diving right back into your search. As far as how to address it in interviews, did they frame it as you getting fired or laid off? There's definitely a difference between the two. Did they offer to be a reference for you? Do you have a good enough relationship with your boss that helped you to email him/her for a reference? If you had a decent relationship and things ended as well as they could have, my answer would be they didn't expect to have enough work for you after tax season, and it wasn't a good fit..then immediately dive in to why you'd be good for whatever position you're interviewing for. All you can do is be able to articulate what you did, what you accomplished, and what you learned that will carry over to your next opportunity. Take it for what it's worth and move on to your next opportunity. Good luck!

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    #1536184
    pfloyd
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    Ya, my boss, I did audits with said he would vie me a reference

    AUD 5/27/16 74 &#%!! 7/13/2016 86!
    BEC 8/17/2016
    FAR 11/04/2015 73, 1/4/2016 75 (phew!)
    REG 2/26/2016 74. 4/2/2016 79

    #1536198
    Anonymous
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    That sucks. I am willing to bet they just don't have enough clients to keep you around after busy season to keep you billable. I wonder what their turnover rate is with new employees in the past several years. They probably hire people, use them and treat them poorly so they do all the processed/non-client facing work, then get rid of them when they don't need them anymore. That's the thing with many smaller firms, very shady how they treat people.

    #1536201
    Anonymous
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    I remember you had a thread before about this. You said the boss even mentioned to you that because you made a few minor errors that they were considering letting you go after busy season. It's all premedidated BS from these kind of companies so they don't have any legal liability if you were to sue them or report them. They just make it seem like you're doing a bad job and write down every little thing that counts against you to claim justify letting you go based on “misconduct” or “not fitting in” etc.

    Don't sweat it, looks like you are done with your exam so if I were you I'd focus on getting a position with a larger firm.

    #1536204
    Anonymous
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    “What do you guys think would be the best way to frame why I left or was let go in my future interviews.”

    Just say you learned a lot but it was a small office and you wanted to work in a larger, more challenging and team-oriented environment.

    #1536210
    Missy
    Participant

    I think you can easily skate by on ambiguity in this case. Just say “tax season was over, you know, but they're willing to give me a reference”. They're not going to pry for detail they just want to know if you did something grossly negligent.

    Licensed Massachusetts Non Reporting CPA since 2012
    Finance/Admin/HR Manager

    #1536258
    Skynet
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    I've always answer that I was let go due to being that tax season was over because it was seasonal.

    Many employers knows this full well. I tell straight up that it was seasonal and I had no expectation of it being long term and they have no issue with it.

    #1536312
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Agree with these guys actually. Especially since it was a small firm. Not sure if I'd use that if it were a bigger firm though where there were multiple new hires and you were singled out.

    #1536324
    pfloyd
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    That's exactly what I'm going to save. It is pretty crappy to use someone and then cut them after tax season lol, but that's life.

    AUD 5/27/16 74 &#%!! 7/13/2016 86!
    BEC 8/17/2016
    FAR 11/04/2015 73, 1/4/2016 75 (phew!)
    REG 2/26/2016 74. 4/2/2016 79

    #1536475
    MasterOfTaxation
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    Jordan, first and foremost, take a day or two to let yourself grieve a bit if you really wanted that job. No matter what anyone says, it hurts when you put in significant effort trying to succeed and for whatever reason does not work out. Just get it out of your system, eat like a fatass for a day, drink a beer or two, eat pizza, throw something at the wall, yell things out loud like “I never liked your firm anyway!”, and just let it all out. It sucks to fail.

    Second, you are not alone. This happens to tons of people every busy season – interns, staff, people who can't pass the cpa exam, etc. Public accounting is brutal. I'm an Army Veteran and went through two busy seasons as an intern in public. I'm also likely significantly older than you. It was really difficult for me. I usually get along well with everyone. I'm a manager's dream – I show up every day, earlier than most, I come in no matter what is going on in my personal life, I ask for feedback, am constantly trying ways to work more efficiently, and usually end up being a trainer because I pay so much attention to detail.

    All that considered, my public accounting experiences were terrible. The hierarchy in public accounting is strange and difficult to adjust to. You don't have a boss really. You have 15 bosses. So you don't really have anyone you can lean on when you don't understand. They bark at you, then walk away. What I found was the reason for my failure and the reason other people succeed is that the successful people were able to connect with mentors or other peers who could considerably help them. I was about fifteen years older than everyone in both circumstances and felt alienated and excluded for that very reason. I tried warming up to anyone really and it just never happened. And I'm someone who is friendly and usually can connect with a lot of people at work.

    Third, everyone makes errors in tax. It's how you learn. Everyone does it and some partners, managers, and sometimes seniors shit all over their staff at every turn because they've never worked outside of public accounting and have terrible leadership/personal skills. I can honestly say I've never been spoken to the way I was in both firms over what was arguably pretty reasonable mistakes for new staff. I had people insult me personally, take me into their office multiple times (which has never happened to me in my entire professional career prior to starting in public), and overall just get barraged with nothing but negative feedback. I heard a single positive thing from a single partner in two busy seasons. And keep in mind, I am a VERY dedicated employee. I devoted extra time learning everything I could. I adjusted when they made suggestions, stayed late, had almost 100% utilized billing hours, etc. I also made excellent grades, am active at my university, etc. I'm not a slouch by any means.

    And finally fourth, there are a billion great opportunities to excel in accounting outside of the public accounting grind. Don't beat yourself up too much. A strong work ethic is one of the greatest assets you can possess. Especially in modern times where so many people wants more than what they're worth but don't want to put in the hours. People admire old fashioned character – 1) Resilience, 2) Perseverance, 3) Diligence, 4) Confidence (not feigned confidence in the form of arrogance), 5) Dedication, etc. You can find employers everywhere looking for someone who has these characteristics combined with the well-respected CPA license. Don't believe the hype that public is all there is. I personally found public to be more about who you are, who you know, and what you have, more than specifically what you're capable of. There's some elements of elitism in certain firms and you've already been ruled out before you walk in the door. It's life, man. It sucks, but it's real.

    Good luck!

    #1536855
    pfloyd
    Participant

    Thank you for your response @Master of Taxation. My small firm experience was pretty tough. I was constantly having to do work without being taught and spinning my wheels for hours. Some of the bosses didn't appreciate my hard work and said I simply didn't care. I was thinking of going into private next or a regional firm. Now I need to endure another job search struggle lol.

    AUD 5/27/16 74 &#%!! 7/13/2016 86!
    BEC 8/17/2016
    FAR 11/04/2015 73, 1/4/2016 75 (phew!)
    REG 2/26/2016 74. 4/2/2016 79

    #1536861
    Anonymous
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    Hey Jordan, I am curious (and you don't have to answer if you don't want to), but do you think any of the following applies to you or your employment with that company?

    Did you ever show up late?
    Was the vehicle you drove to work in bad shape?
    Do you have any people skills or are you a complete nerd (in other words are you marketable)?
    Have you ever discussed politics or religion with any of the staff or is your affiliation otherwise obvious?
    Are you a minority?
    Are you well-groomed and is your work dress attire appropriate?
    Would anything negative show up on your background check or public records?

    Look forward to your response.

    #1536883
    pfloyd
    Participant

    1. No, I was on time or 5 minutes early
    2. It was in good shape I took care of my car, and I am the owner.
    3. I am very personable, I am able to relate to older clients because I have similar music tastes lol. I enjoy interacting with others while still maintaining my professionalism.
    4.No politics is never a good conversation
    5, No. I am white I do think that question is too personable, and shouldn't make a difference nowadays. However, some offices have bad qualities.
    6. Yes, however, I didn't wear a belt and my manager told me it is required. However, I wear one after that.
    7. No background is perfect

    AUD 5/27/16 74 &#%!! 7/13/2016 86!
    BEC 8/17/2016
    FAR 11/04/2015 73, 1/4/2016 75 (phew!)
    REG 2/26/2016 74. 4/2/2016 79

    #1536892
    Missy
    Participant

    I'll bet that every tax season they bring one extra person in and cut them before the end of April it's fairly common in smaller firms and they'll never say the work is seasonal because they want the employee to give it their all right until the last day, not decide in April they're almost done so screw it. Go to indeed dot com, click on find resumes then put the name of the firm in quotes. You may find the resume of others who had a similar short tenure there.

    Licensed Massachusetts Non Reporting CPA since 2012
    Finance/Admin/HR Manager

    #1536903
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @jordan ok thanks for sharing your responses. I would chalk this one up to utilization. They basically hire people and don't have enough work to go around after busy season then they let the employee go. It's fairly common though not widely spoke about, especially among students and recent grads. It's unfortunate employers treat people this way though.

    @MLA cool tip on the Indeed search, thanks for that.

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