[Anonymous]

Hello everybody. I apologize if I placed this thread in the wrong forum and/or there is the thread for discrimination. As you can tell, I am new.

Specifically, I’d like to talk about the deaf people that are interested in any types of corporate finance, accounting, and consulting such as Big 4 accounting, corporate strategy, FP&A, etc.

Is it possible for the recruiters to reject a deaf applicant that require additional accommodation(s) such as interpreters? Is deafness a big issue today? How about discrimination? How can I make myself a decent candidate? Should I mention my disability on my resume? If so, how can I NOT freak out the reviewers?

I happened to find the article about the deaf person working for the IBM. After he graduated at Gallaudet University (Deaf university), he worked for several F500 companies and then he went to Cornell for MBA. I can see myself getting on his path, but it’s not similar to the path I want to be on. I am attending a “hearing” university, just in case you’re wondering.

I hope I’d get into corporate finance. My path would be like this: Big 4/Regional firm as an audit/tax accountant for four years –> Fortune 500 corporate finance

It would be greatly appreciated if you would honestly criticize my career path. I’d also really like to hear your experience, input, opinion or knowledge on the discrimination/deafness issue if such exists.

If you do not know what an interpreter’s role is, this is usually going like this: speaking of impeded speed of communication, an experienced interpreter, who has the average knowledge of accounting and finance, can actually sign simultaneously without problems. When you speak, she interprets what you say simultaneously. There is no delay in that; however, there is a lag, say, two seconds late only if a discussion is quite complicated and time is needed for an interpreter to interpret it correctly without making a mistake. When I sign, my interpreter interprets simultaneously. I have interpreters in my classes. My groups and I get along just fine when my interpreter is present or not.

[Anonymous]

DEAF,

The official answer is that there's no discrimination, that they're not allowed to discriminate against you due to a disability, that they're required to make reasonable accommodation unless it would create undue financial hardship, etc. (Can you tell I was reading the ADA section of my REG book yesterday? 😛 ) For a Big 4 or Fortune 500, the cost of an interpreter (I'm assuming the employer provides one?) couldn't possible create undue financial hardship, though a mom-and-pop when you're one of 3 employees could probably claim the “undue hardship” thing.

So, that's the official answer. I'm sure you've heard that all your life.

The real answer gets a bit more complicated. Because even if no future employer ever admits that your disability had an effect on a hiring decision, it can still be the deciding factor.

If you don't list that you're deaf on your resume, will a recruiter be able to still call you? I've heard of some phone services used for deaf people to call others which basically have a person reading the deaf person's statements, and typing the hearing person's statements for the deaf person to read (internet-based). Are those available for people calling you, too? Every job I've applied for, I've gotten a phone follow-up, so unless you refuse to provide a phone number, I'm guessing that as soon as they try to call you, they'll know you're deaf. If that's the case and there's not really a way for you to handle phone calls, then probably you want to mention somewhere that you're deaf and thus email communication is preferred. As to how to mention it without it freaking out the reviewers, mention it as a point of pride/as an asset. How has being deaf prepared you to be the best candidate to ever step foot in their office?

Can you read lips much/at all? Like, if your interpreter was sick for a day, could you make it through the work-day between emails and reading lips? Or…if you had no interpreter at all, how much of a hardship would it be for you to communicate via emails and reading lips? Of course you couldn't reply via the reading lips…hmm…

The truth of the matter is that people tend to be scared of things they're not familiar with. And tend to be focused on the bottom line. If they pay you $60k/yr and pay an interpreter $30k/yr, then you cost them $90k. Whereas they could pay the next guy $60k and be done with it. Is that a fair way to assess things? Not really. But, I'm sure you'll run into it some. All of this means that you'll probably have to work twice as hard to sell yourself as an employee. You'll probably have to be the most amazing candidate for your position, rather than being able to be one of a group of almost-equal candidates. I'm not saying any of that is right to be that way, but just that it's likely.

So, it sounds like you're still in college? I would focus hard on making yourself as great of a candidate as at all possible. Get advice from your accounting professors…try to get internships…keep your GPA as high as possible…etc. I'm not familiar with Big 4 specifically, but you can find a lot of threads on here talking about how to get into the Big 4. I know it's a lot to do, but try to do everything that's listed in those threads as helpful for getting into the Big 4. And heck, if you're able to add it to the list, try to get some CPA exams under your belt!

It's not gonna be an easy path, but it can be done. 🙂 The right employer will recognize that in order for you to be sitting in their office for an interview, you've already done more and worked harder than the other candidates, and that you will therefore be a stronger and better employee. And…if being deaf won't be a “real” hindrance any more than an “official” one, then all the extra effort won't go to waste – it will still put you in a great position to get into the Big 4 and get where you want to get beyond that. 🙂

Good luck! 🙂 Keep us posted!

[Anonymous]

DEAF,

The official answer is that there's no discrimination, that they're not allowed to discriminate against you due to a disability, that they're required to make reasonable accommodation unless it would create undue financial hardship, etc. (Can you tell I was reading the ADA section of my REG book yesterday? 😛 ) For a Big 4 or Fortune 500, the cost of an interpreter (I'm assuming the employer provides one?) couldn't possible create undue financial hardship, though a mom-and-pop when you're one of 3 employees could probably claim the “undue hardship” thing.

So, that's the official answer. I'm sure you've heard that all your life.

The real answer gets a bit more complicated. Because even if no future employer ever admits that your disability had an effect on a hiring decision, it can still be the deciding factor.

If you don't list that you're deaf on your resume, will a recruiter be able to still call you? I've heard of some phone services used for deaf people to call others which basically have a person reading the deaf person's statements, and typing the hearing person's statements for the deaf person to read (internet-based). Are those available for people calling you, too? Every job I've applied for, I've gotten a phone follow-up, so unless you refuse to provide a phone number, I'm guessing that as soon as they try to call you, they'll know you're deaf. If that's the case and there's not really a way for you to handle phone calls, then probably you want to mention somewhere that you're deaf and thus email communication is preferred. As to how to mention it without it freaking out the reviewers, mention it as a point of pride/as an asset. How has being deaf prepared you to be the best candidate to ever step foot in their office?

Can you read lips much/at all? Like, if your interpreter was sick for a day, could you make it through the work-day between emails and reading lips? Or…if you had no interpreter at all, how much of a hardship would it be for you to communicate via emails and reading lips? Of course you couldn't reply via the reading lips…hmm…

The truth of the matter is that people tend to be scared of things they're not familiar with. And tend to be focused on the bottom line. If they pay you $60k/yr and pay an interpreter $30k/yr, then you cost them $90k. Whereas they could pay the next guy $60k and be done with it. Is that a fair way to assess things? Not really. But, I'm sure you'll run into it some. All of this means that you'll probably have to work twice as hard to sell yourself as an employee. You'll probably have to be the most amazing candidate for your position, rather than being able to be one of a group of almost-equal candidates. I'm not saying any of that is right to be that way, but just that it's likely.

So, it sounds like you're still in college? I would focus hard on making yourself as great of a candidate as at all possible. Get advice from your accounting professors…try to get internships…keep your GPA as high as possible…etc. I'm not familiar with Big 4 specifically, but you can find a lot of threads on here talking about how to get into the Big 4. I know it's a lot to do, but try to do everything that's listed in those threads as helpful for getting into the Big 4. And heck, if you're able to add it to the list, try to get some CPA exams under your belt!

It's not gonna be an easy path, but it can be done. 🙂 The right employer will recognize that in order for you to be sitting in their office for an interview, you've already done more and worked harder than the other candidates, and that you will therefore be a stronger and better employee. And…if being deaf won't be a “real” hindrance any more than an “official” one, then all the extra effort won't go to waste – it will still put you in a great position to get into the Big 4 and get where you want to get beyond that. 🙂

Good luck! 🙂 Keep us posted!

[mla1169]

You probably already know discrimination is an issue, even if it very discreet. The law is most definately on your side, though. I'm hoping somebody on this board can assure you by saying they've had a deaf colleague in big 4. If not, have you found any message boards for deaf professionals?

As for your career path that's a pretty common route. Most of the industry management jobs I see require big 4 experience so it's a logical progression.

Best of luck!

FAR- 77
AUD -49, 71, 84
REG -56,75!
BEC -75

Massachusetts CPA (non reporting) since 3/12.

[mla1169]

You probably already know discrimination is an issue, even if it very discreet. The law is most definately on your side, though. I'm hoping somebody on this board can assure you by saying they've had a deaf colleague in big 4. If not, have you found any message boards for deaf professionals?

As for your career path that's a pretty common route. Most of the industry management jobs I see require big 4 experience so it's a logical progression.

Best of luck!

FAR- 77
AUD -49, 71, 84
REG -56,75!
BEC -75

Massachusetts CPA (non reporting) since 3/12.

[Anonymous]

This is why there's no final answer to my question so I always and will always require more details and answers so that I'd know what to expect when meeting people who work for the public accounting firms, and the business world is continuously evolving in the terms of diversity. I am having a course taught by a former Big 4 CPA professor. She's excellent. I am waiting for a right time to ask her questions, and we have known each other just a little.

I am just so paranoid about mentioning my deafness on my resume. I've been told by very a few people that I should not do so because the recruiters would more likely throw away my resume when noticing a disability that may have a negative impact on them. They could be wrong, but they said, if I don't mention my deafness and get an interview without them knowing, I can take advantage of that (a proof that they violate ADA/discrimination) just in case they refuse to interview me due to my deafness. See, not mentioning it has pros and cons. The important question is, if I don't put my phone number on my resume, what will happen? Rejecting? The recruiters don't mind e-mailing?

I can read lips, but I understand roughly 25% of it, which is not great. I am not familiar with the accounting workplace's environment such as how often you meet cilents, how do you talk to your colleagues? Face-to-face? Emailing? Etc.., and something like that. An employer DOESN'T have to hire a full-time interpreter to just sit next to me and read all day, but an interpreter is needed only if I have cilent meetings, conference meetings, or something like that. Interpreting agencies exist for that reason.

I have no luck finding deaf professionals in the accounting and business world. I am not giving up, though. I am still looking. I happened to find the deaf person who works at UBS' one of middle offices, but I have no luck contacting her. The friend of mine, who knows her just a little, use video phones to just make calls by using her designed interpreters who have the average knowledge of accounting and finance.

What the hell is a video phone? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_relay_service

[Anonymous]

This is why there's no final answer to my question so I always and will always require more details and answers so that I'd know what to expect when meeting people who work for the public accounting firms, and the business world is continuously evolving in the terms of diversity. I am having a course taught by a former Big 4 CPA professor. She's excellent. I am waiting for a right time to ask her questions, and we have known each other just a little.

I am just so paranoid about mentioning my deafness on my resume. I've been told by very a few people that I should not do so because the recruiters would more likely throw away my resume when noticing a disability that may have a negative impact on them. They could be wrong, but they said, if I don't mention my deafness and get an interview without them knowing, I can take advantage of that (a proof that they violate ADA/discrimination) just in case they refuse to interview me due to my deafness. See, not mentioning it has pros and cons. The important question is, if I don't put my phone number on my resume, what will happen? Rejecting? The recruiters don't mind e-mailing?

I can read lips, but I understand roughly 25% of it, which is not great. I am not familiar with the accounting workplace's environment such as how often you meet cilents, how do you talk to your colleagues? Face-to-face? Emailing? Etc.., and something like that. An employer DOESN'T have to hire a full-time interpreter to just sit next to me and read all day, but an interpreter is needed only if I have cilent meetings, conference meetings, or something like that. Interpreting agencies exist for that reason.

I have no luck finding deaf professionals in the accounting and business world. I am not giving up, though. I am still looking. I happened to find the deaf person who works at UBS' one of middle offices, but I have no luck contacting her. The friend of mine, who knows her just a little, use video phones to just make calls by using her designed interpreters who have the average knowledge of accounting and finance.

What the hell is a video phone? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_relay_service

[kmaahs]

I think you need to get in front of a recruiter.

Find out when firms will be at your school, beta alpha psi should have them in almost weekly.

Bring an interpreter if you don't feel you can have a good discussion with them yourself.

They will be able to answer your questions. They should be very knowledgeable. The truth is, if you are a good catch, they aren't doing their job if they don't get you into their pipeline.

Also, most applications I know of will outright ask you about disabilities. Therefore, you really won't be able to get into an interview without your disability already being given (without lying, which can certainly ruin your job prospects).

So to reiterate, you need to get some face time with firm recruiters to find out how you might be able to get in.

C.P.A.

[kmaahs]

I think you need to get in front of a recruiter.

Find out when firms will be at your school, beta alpha psi should have them in almost weekly.

Bring an interpreter if you don't feel you can have a good discussion with them yourself.

They will be able to answer your questions. They should be very knowledgeable. The truth is, if you are a good catch, they aren't doing their job if they don't get you into their pipeline.

Also, most applications I know of will outright ask you about disabilities. Therefore, you really won't be able to get into an interview without your disability already being given (without lying, which can certainly ruin your job prospects).

So to reiterate, you need to get some face time with firm recruiters to find out how you might be able to get in.

C.P.A.

[mla1169]

On applications of course you'd mention a disability. On a resume, I don't see it as a defining factor of your professional abilities so I wouldn't spell it out. I WOULD put it on a resume under “languages spoken” as primary language ASL. Show it as an asset. Because as far as business goes, it's nothing more than a different language.

FAR- 77
AUD -49, 71, 84
REG -56,75!
BEC -75

Massachusetts CPA (non reporting) since 3/12.

[mla1169]

On applications of course you'd mention a disability. On a resume, I don't see it as a defining factor of your professional abilities so I wouldn't spell it out. I WOULD put it on a resume under “languages spoken” as primary language ASL. Show it as an asset. Because as far as business goes, it's nothing more than a different language.

FAR- 77
AUD -49, 71, 84
REG -56,75!
BEC -75

Massachusetts CPA (non reporting) since 3/12.

[tough_kitty]

Well, based on my own experience, I think Big 4 hires people with outgoing personalities because it's a part of the job – to be able to communicate with the clients and maintain a professional contact, be it via e-mail or phone. Also, I don't think they would reject you based on the disability, but if they are looking for the most qualified person for the job, they are more willing to hire someone who would fit their requirements – a person with a specific personality. I am an introvert myself, working on my people skills….but despite my high GPA, I was not offered the job, but some of my classmates were, and their GPA was much lower than mine….

A little off-topic, I really don't understand some people on this website who are interested in a job with Big 4 and wondering if they should apply – nothing stops you from trying, but keep in mind, just because you want that job, doesn't mean you'll get the offer….that's the way it is. They usually hire people who they networked with through Beta Alpha Psi events, etc. Networking is the key in order to get hired with Big 4.

Also, working in auditing for a Big 4 firm, or any CPA firm for that matter, often requires working in groups – so fast communication is essential. I am not trying to discourage, just pointing out the obvious….so even those who are not good at working in teams will not get the job….and it has little to do with discrimination….

Now, that being said, I really admire you! I don't even imagine being deaf….I think I'd stay home and be depressed….I am sure, with your determination you'll find the right job for you!

FAR: 81 (May 2013)
BEC: 81 (July 2013)
REG: 83 (August 2013)
AUD: 82 (November 2013)
California CPA since 1/30/14

[tough_kitty]

Well, based on my own experience, I think Big 4 hires people with outgoing personalities because it's a part of the job – to be able to communicate with the clients and maintain a professional contact, be it via e-mail or phone. Also, I don't think they would reject you based on the disability, but if they are looking for the most qualified person for the job, they are more willing to hire someone who would fit their requirements – a person with a specific personality. I am an introvert myself, working on my people skills….but despite my high GPA, I was not offered the job, but some of my classmates were, and their GPA was much lower than mine….

A little off-topic, I really don't understand some people on this website who are interested in a job with Big 4 and wondering if they should apply – nothing stops you from trying, but keep in mind, just because you want that job, doesn't mean you'll get the offer….that's the way it is. They usually hire people who they networked with through Beta Alpha Psi events, etc. Networking is the key in order to get hired with Big 4.

Also, working in auditing for a Big 4 firm, or any CPA firm for that matter, often requires working in groups – so fast communication is essential. I am not trying to discourage, just pointing out the obvious….so even those who are not good at working in teams will not get the job….and it has little to do with discrimination….

Now, that being said, I really admire you! I don't even imagine being deaf….I think I'd stay home and be depressed….I am sure, with your determination you'll find the right job for you!

FAR: 81 (May 2013)
BEC: 81 (July 2013)
REG: 83 (August 2013)
AUD: 82 (November 2013)
California CPA since 1/30/14

[Anonymous]

@Kmaahs, let's assume that you are a recruiter or alum, what type of questions would you expect me to ask regarding my deafness, communication barriers, fast-paced workplace and the mention of disability on applications/resumes?

I am attending an university where Big 4 heavily recruits, and it has a great number of alums working at Big 4 firms. I just want to be better prepared once I know what appropriate questions I should ask.

Everybody, thank you for the detailed, informative replies. I really appreciate it.

EDIT: It's safe to say that my deafness limits the amount of opportunities I could get, comparing to hearing people. It's simply because of the communication apprehension. Unlike other deaf people, I am continuously looking for ways that may help me overcome difficult challenges. I don't and will never give up. I am a people person, but in certain situations, my communication anxiety may unexpectedly increase. That's normal, and I know I am not the one who experience that.

[Anonymous]

@Kmaahs, let's assume that you are a recruiter or alum, what type of questions would you expect me to ask regarding my deafness, communication barriers, fast-paced workplace and the mention of disability on applications/resumes?

I am attending an university where Big 4 heavily recruits, and it has a great number of alums working at Big 4 firms. I just want to be better prepared once I know what appropriate questions I should ask.

Everybody, thank you for the detailed, informative replies. I really appreciate it.

EDIT: It's safe to say that my deafness limits the amount of opportunities I could get, comparing to hearing people. It's simply because of the communication apprehension. Unlike other deaf people, I am continuously looking for ways that may help me overcome difficult challenges. I don't and will never give up. I am a people person, but in certain situations, my communication anxiety may unexpectedly increase. That's normal, and I know I am not the one who experience that.

[mla1169]

as a very OT, my daughter (14) really wants to learn ASL after watching “Switched at Birth”. We look at you tube videos often which seem to be the best resource we can find. Do you have any recommendations for other resources?

FAR- 77
AUD -49, 71, 84
REG -56,75!
BEC -75

Massachusetts CPA (non reporting) since 3/12.

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