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September 30, 2017 at 9:08 pm #1641205AnonymousInactive
And did you know your employer can track you outside of work and certain details about your phone usage if you do?
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September 30, 2017 at 9:36 pm #1641221JRMParticipant
Yikes, all the time …….
September 30, 2017 at 9:45 pm #1641226MissyParticipantYes,and yes. Worth a read for anyone concerned. https://www.fastcompany.com/3055842/what-privacy-issues-should-and-shouldnt-worry-about-with-byod
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Finance/Admin/HR ManagerOctober 2, 2017 at 9:36 am #1641664kdawg22ParticipantI need to get into the habit now of plugging my phone into the outlet to charge instead of my work laptop.
October 2, 2017 at 11:51 am #1641724Meg267ParticipantI work for a publicly traded company, if we plug our phones into the computer we could lose our jobs. Our IT department does not allow us to plug anything into the computer.
October 2, 2017 at 1:33 pm #1641832studysledParticipantWhat if I only plug in to charge my personal phone?
When I plug in, I get a message on my phone asking me to allow the computer to access my photos/videos. I always click “don't allow”.
Would the company still be able to track my phone usage?
October 2, 2017 at 4:43 pm #1642069AnonymousInactiveFrom what I can tell, they can still track you. I thought I was smart and being safe, but I've had employers make comments on my whereabouts when there was no other possible way they could know.
Since the computers are work property and the nature of the files stored on work servers are considered confidential, they work with their IT people to “safeguard” their assets. Not sure how it works, but pretty sure when you plug your phone in, it will automatically bug your phone and your data including location will be vulnerable for them to access. They can also killswitch the device so that it dies…swapping batteries out won't revive it.
Also most work computers will have keyloggers installed, so if you log into social media or even just to check your personal email, they will have access to your personal login information.
October 2, 2017 at 4:56 pm #1642081GAPilot715ParticipantTrack my location huh?
I guess they would be able to see that I spend 90% of my off time at home studying for this dang CPA exam.
My work has disabled all USB drives, so I can't charge from my computer anyway.
October 2, 2017 at 5:14 pm #1642123studysledParticipantSo you're saying they have access to my location/data forever, even if I only charged one time, hypothetically?
That's a little disturbing.
October 2, 2017 at 5:25 pm #1642141AnonymousInactive@studysled, I am not an IT professional so I don't know the true answer to your question, but based on my experience and own research, yes I believe so.
October 2, 2017 at 8:03 pm #1642202studysledParticipantI don't know, I find it hard to believe that if my only interaction is charging my phone, that they'd be able to access my historical data and plant a bug.
October 2, 2017 at 8:17 pm #1642225AnonymousInactiveWish we had some IT guys on the forum. Not just college level IT, but someone that has years of experience.
I'm sure they could confirm that just plugging in your phone can install malware on your device and access the device's location records. Even just connecting to WiFi at work can leave your data vulnerable to access. If you connect to WiFi they can probably see your browsing history and Google searches, etc. if they wanted and had a “good” IT department.
I wouldn't even consider this a “you never really know” scenario…
I consider the possibility of this being true to be “more likely than not”.
Companies take their privacy and security very seriously. Hoping others can chime in if they're familiar with this and have a background in IT.
October 2, 2017 at 9:22 pm #1642256studysledParticipantThat's certainly unsettling and potentially illegal.
It would be nice to find a way to detect and uninstall the malware you mentioned.
October 3, 2017 at 3:30 pm #1642658Hank ScorpioParticipantIf you plug in your personal phone, they aren't going to track you on it. They would have to install something on your phone in order to do that. If you have a work phone they gave you, however, they can track you on it and also look at what you do on it. A personal phone that you plug in in order to charge, you are good. You have a right to privacy on your own device. My company blocks USB devices so I can only charge my phone and not transfer files.
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REG - December 2016October 3, 2017 at 4:53 pm #1642751AnonymousInactiveI agree that's how the law should be interpreted, however as mentioned in the article above posted by Missy, it is still a bit of a grey area. Your work computer is work property. And especially working as an accountant or any position that requires public trust and confidentiality, the employer will do what they can to protect themselves from any lawsuits, privacy issues, and infiltration (hacking). Based on my understanding, if they have to defend themselves in court, they can basically say that plugging your device into a work computer constitutes permission to access your data in order to protect themselves.
Here is the bit from the article mentioning the grey area:
It’s precisely those mixed-used situations that BYOD policies, and the technology that supports them, are meant to address. The most common way companies do that is by installing mobile device management (MDM) software on employees’ devices. And according to a 2014 white paper by the IBM-owned company Fiberlink (which sells an MDM product called MaaS360), any MDM solution worth its salt “should be able to parse what information it can access and what it cannot.”
Still, the situations that might impel your company to scroll through your photos or peek at your emails—let alone punish you for them—are pretty rare. Hill mentions two: when your employer “is subject to a lawsuit in which you could be a witness, or if you and [your] employer get into a dispute.”
But the law is only beginning to grapple with these questions, and in the meantime, usage agreements for company devices, Rosenberg says, usually aren’t written broadly enough to govern conduct on personal gadgets, too. That’s all the more reason, in her view, why BYOD policies are so important: “Otherwise you’re arguing about what an employer can and can’t do. If you have a policy that defines it, everybody knows what’s up.”
October 3, 2017 at 5:40 pm #1642789Hank ScorpioParticipantThe way I read that is companies are allowed to have device management software on phones THEY PROVIDE. One of the reasons for that is to remotely wipe the phone but can also be used to spy. However, if you use your own device and plug it in, that doesn't give them permission to install malicious software on it. Also, that isn't easy to do. They would have to ask permission or hack your phone and I don't see that happening with any company. I think you are mixing up what they do on phones provided vs personal phones.
That’s all the more reason, in her view, why BYOD policies are so important: “Otherwise you’re arguing about what an employer can and can’t do. If you have a policy that defines it, everybody knows what’s up.”
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