Auditing Medicare and Medicaid Reimbursements - Page 2

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  • #187085
    stoleway
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    Hi everybody, so I’m about to receive an offer from a public accounting firm that specializes in this kind of business.

    I have heard differing opinions on entering into this field, others say entering into this field will be hard for me to branch into other areas of accounting since this is a specialized field and doesnt involve too much of accounting.

    For those that knows this field very well, is that true? I dont want to accept an offer from this firm knowing that my skills will not be needed by other businesses in the future.

    Im really confused and needs some advice. Thank you all.

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  • #581842
    stoleway
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    @Monkey Wrench

    Yeah, its a public accounting firm….myers and stauffer

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    #581843

    Well, good luck on your interviews. I imagine you will be doing a lot of compilation work, primarily with nursing facilities, that is where most of the medicaid/medicare funds are going anyways. Basically, you will take the facilities information and compile it into a cost report, and send it to state agencies, they will do the desk reviews on them. Unless of course your state doesn't have state auditors who do it and they very well may hire you all to do the desk review for them and then you send the information on to your states medicaid programs. These are some of the things you can ask at your interview, and they will probably be impressed you know so much about the programs. I imagine when you arn't compiling/reviewing you will be doing on-site audits.

    #581844
    stoleway
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    @monkey wrench…great tips, thanks a lot!

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    #581845
    Anonymous
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    It sounds like you will be doing third-party audits. Most likely for Fiscal Intermediaries (FI). The FI are the enitities set up by insurance companies that actually do the Medicare work- CMS only provides the money. Depending on the firm, there could def be some compilation work involved, but many firms tend to shy away from doing compilations when they specialize in audits. The contracts come in pretty big lists and it doesn't look good to the FI when you get a contract and have to go back to them with a list of firms that you can't do because you're conflicted out. The audits are all to Yellowbook spec, so the conflict standards are extremely high.

    My public firm does a TON of third party audits, desk reviews, and agreed-upon-procedures. For perspective, I think we have one annual compilation. The work is definitely specialized in that there are a lot of regs to apply in the course of the audit, but the the fundamental financial & Yellowbook auditing (GAAS & GAGAS) and technical skills are used. I know that the associates that jump ship where I am generally have no problem finding jobs outside the healthcare industry when & if they set their minds to it.

    A nice benefit is that the firms that specialize in this stuff tend to get quite a bit of forensic accounting & litigation consulting work to keep you interested. It's extremely technical and rife with fraud, so any case generally needs a consulting CPA, if not an “Expert” CPA (an expert is qualified by the court). In any other industry, you could audit for 10 years and never find fraud. If you work in healthcare, you'll see it with some degree of regularity.

    We get enough of the forensic work at my firm that I'd say that 90% of my workload consists of forensic work at this point with the remaining ten being due diligence. It's pretty interesting work and you get to work with some very talented people who know the industry. I'm regularly working with U.S. Attorneys, private equity guys, and Ivy League MBAs.

    Another career path includes performing due diligence in mergers and acquisitions. Revenue assumptions are a little more complex in healthcare and have a lot of variables. Knowledge of Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement is invaluable for this type of work.

    As a side benefit, I've found that, when compared to traditional audit or tax, the workload is pretty stable so there aren't too many Saturdays spent in the office. I've never seen any two-day turnaround audits (like mentioned above) yet.

    #581846

    ^^ they posted the job description, it clearly stated they would be doing desk reviews. As in compiling the cost reports.

    #581847
    Anonymous
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    Monkey Wrench-

    Keep in mind that I don't do to many desk reviews, but I was under the impression that a compilation and a desk review are similar in that they are both an attest function, but a desk review is performed on a cost report that has been submitted and that a compilation would be when you take the financial & statistical information and compile it into the cost report on behalf of the submitter. Two sides to the coin so to speak.

    #581848
    stoleway
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    Thank you all, I just returned from the interview and I must say the interview went really well but I was tested on a bunch of geometry, simple math calculations and other general knowledge stuff after the interview. They were tricky and time consuming and I was given only 12 mins to do as much as I can, I think I bombed them cuz I wasn't ready at all.

    Lets hope my performance will be higher than others….lol

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    #581849
    Anonymous
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    geometry? really? like what, hypotenuse = sum of squares of cathetus?

    #581850

    “Monkey Wrench-

    Keep in mind that I don't do to many desk reviews, but I was under the impression that a compilation and a desk review are similar in that they are both an attest function, but a desk review is performed on a cost report that has been submitted and that a compilation would be when you take the financial & statistical information and compile it into the cost report on behalf of the submitter. Two sides to the coin so to speak.”

    Yes you are right, if you read my most posts above i have generally pretty much assumed that the “desk review” was actually just the compilation and I have put the caveat that the state could hire that firm out to do there actual desk reviews of the financial statements. I am hoping stoleaway learned a little more and can give us more info.

    With the way the job description sounded, it sounded more like they would be doing the compilations of the cost reports and be the submitters, and when they are done with that they will do on-site audits of those they compile for (so kind of a full service, attestation type work) Although on the compilation report it says they are not responsible for the F/S I can assure you that if they don't compute the days or something right then the facilities might not hire them back, so it is worth them taking a look at them, even if they are not giving an opion.

    If the state is hiring them out, then they are probably doing desk reviews of the compiled financial statements and then they are going out on attestation reviews after they get done with that and on site reviewing some of the higher risk facilities.

    #581851
    stoleway
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    @anjanja

    I don't even remember most of them, my brains is not functioning properly right now…lol

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    #581852

    That could have been a real generic kinda quick “iq” test. In my opinion worthless, but I guess it did catch you off guard and will see how you do until pressure which that part I guess isn't so worthless.

    #581853
    Anonymous
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    I am sure you did OK comparing to other candidates because who can possibly remember this kind of stuff from 7th grade

    #581854
    stoleway
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    I get over these things really quickly, especially when I encounter something like this

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