Tax Experience – Small Firm vs Big Firm

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    posty
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    I currently work for a local small firm (about 20 employees) doing tax work. I prepare a lot of different types of returns from beginning to end (1040, 1120, 1120S, 1065, 990, etc.) for a number of individuals and small businesses.

    I would like to work as a Tax Associate at a bigger firm. Maybe a “mid-tier” regional firm or possibly even a Big 4.

    Do Tax Associates at bigger firms do similar work? Or do you just work on certain sections of bigger returns?

    Any advice that you can give on what a Tax Associate does at a bigger firm would be appreciated.

    FAR - 78 (10/3/11)
    AUD - 83 (11/28/11)
    REG - 70 (4/7/12), 84 (7/31/12)
    BEC - 75! (5/31/12)
    Ethics - 98

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    Hi posty, I don't have the answer to ur question since im a new graduate. But may I ask u a question tho?

    I really would like to join a CPA firm for tax, I don't care about the size of the firm, and I just wanna get my foot in the door after completing all 4 CPA exams.

    Do u know what kind of candidate that a tax cpa firm would be looking for in an entry-level position? Does passing a CPA help u? Also, I am a Canadian citizen, so would that affect my application?

    Thank you so much for ur help!

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    posty
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    @CPA_Rookie – I was able to get many job offers from local accounting firms in tax just being CPA eligible. I also had a decent GPA for my accounting degree. I'm not sure how much that factored in to me getting a job. I had no public accounting experience other than an audit internship at Grant Thornton.

    Passing the CPA Exam is definitely an advantage over other candidates. I would definitely mention that you have passed all the sections on your resume.

    Do a quick Google search on accounting firms in your area and start sending your resume out.

    Good luck!

    FAR - 78 (10/3/11)
    AUD - 83 (11/28/11)
    REG - 70 (4/7/12), 84 (7/31/12)
    BEC - 75! (5/31/12)
    Ethics - 98

    DONE

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    what happened w/grant thorton?

    #380706
    posty
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    @CannotPassAgain – It wasn't really GT. It was Audit. There was way too much travel involved with that job. That's when I discovered that Tax was more for me. I like sleeping in my own bed at night. No offense to you auditors out there. 🙂

    FAR - 78 (10/3/11)
    AUD - 83 (11/28/11)
    REG - 70 (4/7/12), 84 (7/31/12)
    BEC - 75! (5/31/12)
    Ethics - 98

    DONE

    #380707

    I am not from the US. But I have some experience at a Big 4 in Germany.

    Tax work at a Big 4 is very specialized. You work in a “service line” which specializes either in a certain type of client (real estate funds, private equity funds, domestic corporations, international corporations, executives) or in a certain tax problem (turnover tax which is very important in Europe, transfer pricing, mergers and acquisitions). They also divide the work further within a service line e. g. one associate works only on mid-sized corporations, another only on big corporations, or they want you only for preparing legal opinions on tax problems or reviewing contracts for due diligence.Your work experience is therefore very focused on one “function”. You may well only get to see one type of tax return in your whole carrier there.

    I think this makes it hard to change from a Big 4 to a smaller firm because smaller firms know that you are lacking the kind of diverse tax experience they need. Also, “small company problems” are very different from the kind of problems that a Big4 firm deals with. However, it is much easier to change from a Big 4 firm to big industry because big industry has a very similar internal structure and they are looking for those very specialized people not for the allrounders from small firms. And big industry is where the big money is, right?

    I also found that they review your work a lot more at a Big4 than at a smaller firm. At the Big4 I spent approximately 40% of my work time making annotations for my tax manager so they could review my work faster. Everyone was required to do that. I mean, c'mon! At a small firm, I would do almost twice as much work in the same time.

    They have also a different hierarchy at the Big4. Small firms lack the “tax manager level”. As an associate I got my own business cards and was allowed to deal with my own clients directly after three months on the job. I had to organize my work by myself from the beginning. A partner reviews my work and I report to him directly. At the Big4 they told me that I would have to stay for at least one or two years before I get to work on anything remotely important. No client contacts, no responsibility etc. However, they offered a 25% higher salary than the small firm.

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