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May 27, 2014 at 6:01 pm #185873
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InactiveIs it fair that someone with greater credentials and interviewing skills than a minority should lose out at a Big 4 chance simply due to diversity reasons? I feel that this happens a lot, and it specifically has happened to me.
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May 27, 2014 at 7:37 pm #558736
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Inactiveconfused is a TROLL…
you can't have this be your first, and only post and you NOT be a troll…sorry man.
May 27, 2014 at 7:58 pm #558737Anonymous
InactiveI am not a troll; I am quite human.
CPA in 3 months: I have 2 of the 3 traits you describe.
May 27, 2014 at 8:06 pm #558738Anonymous
InactiveMaybe they didn't hire you because your racist. Who cares what the race was of your competitor, he or she beat you and that's all that matters. A better thread would be “how can i improve myself to get a job at a big 4”. An even better solution is to not complain on a message board and to go improve your self. Improve your looks, go to the bar and improve your social skills, take the CPA exam if you pass it there is no risk of you not being able to certify. “winners go **** the prom queen, losers complain on message boards about how they weren't good enough for a job”
May 27, 2014 at 8:06 pm #558739Anonymous
InactiveAnd the qualfiications I speak of are a very high undergraduate and graduate GPA (both 3.7+), participation in clubs and NFP stuff, internships, parts of the CPA exam passed, etc…
May 27, 2014 at 8:08 pm #558740Anonymous
Inactiveeliasm go take a hike about passing the CPA exam. I passed, and actually got a better mark on FAR than you lol. I know what it takes to pass.
May 27, 2014 at 8:11 pm #558741Anonymous
InactiveIf you have all that and you still didn't get an offer, you must be super awkward or have no social skills. I have a friend he was all everything, 4.0, smart dude, double major. Turned down by all big 4 cause kid has no social skills.
May 27, 2014 at 8:14 pm #558742Mamabear
MemberWow! You guys are kind of rough. I don't think the idea of racism against any race is that far fetched. I believe descrimination happens all the time during the hiring process. Maybe on race, age, your FB profile pic, etc. Anything a prospective employer can learn about you they will. I have to agree that unless you were sitting in the room when the other candidate was interviewing then it would be hard to know what their skills were in comparison to yours. For that matter, you really don't know if that candidate's dad plays golf with the interviewing partner. I am a big believer in networking and it's all about who you know. Every successful person I know had help to get there. Don't stress the possibility of a racial descrimination. If that was in fact why you weren't hire then you don't want to work for that company anyways.
P.S.–I'm white with a black husband. I have had issues at previous jobs when coworkers found out I was in an interracial relationship. That's the point–you never know what people are going to have a problem with so just move on to a company that hires you for you.
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InactiveTo Confused–if you already have this outlook before even working at a firm, you're going to have a bad time.
And maybe, JUST MAYBE, they hired a person who they believe is a part of the majority at their firm.
May 27, 2014 at 9:08 pm #558744mla1169
ParticipantConfused, I don't think Eliasm would have any way of knowing where you are in the CPA process. I will say if you're so defensive as you've been multiple times in your thread, it had probably been perceived by your interviewer that you consider your own credentials superior. Humility may be the tool you are lacking. If you perceive my comment as an insult (which it is not), clearly humility is your issue.
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May 27, 2014 at 10:04 pm #558745lude4life13
MemberI hate to break this to you, but your credentials are almost irrelevant once the interview process has started. They are essential to getting you the interview, but beyond that, you need need to convince the person that YOU are the right person for the job, not your resume. I find it hard to believe that the interviewer thought that both of you were identical in terms of personality and your fit in the firm.
May 27, 2014 at 10:10 pm #558746Anonymous
InactiveFor a entry-level position at Big 4, I don't see diversity as an issue. Let's look at it this way. Say there are 10 spots and 40 applicants, but the firm would like to see three women and two diverse males. 15 applicants might be women and diverse males, that means that 25 applicants are white males for 5 spots. You just got beat out!
On the other hand, diversity is becoming a challenge and will continue to be for white males as you move up the corporate ladder and compensation scale. For those of us in generation X (born 1965 to 1978), we need to do the best we can at our jobs and stay abreast of what is going on in the company and HR departments. White, male, and over 40 will mean quite a bit of time out of work in the case of a layoff. That isn't necessarily because we are white males, but we tend to be much more expensive then a similarly skilled 32-35 year old diverse candidate based on experience and salary due to years of experience.
My advice to anybody in their 20s worried about diversity is to set yourself apart in quantifiable ways. First, being on this forum is a start, get a CPA. Second, for the millenials, I actually recommend a top-tier MBA program. I have an MBA from a regional, private college, nothing spectacular. It gets me in the door, but nothing else.
If you have a CPA and a decent MBA, diversity won't be the problem; the problem will be in the mirror.
May 27, 2014 at 10:14 pm #558747Anonymous
Inactive…stretching…
May 28, 2014 at 12:24 am #558748wannabeCaliCPA
MemberBeing invited to an interview has nothing to do with the color of your skin: from my understanding, the race or the color is not listed on the resume 😉 so, we show up at the interview before they figure out what color we are. However, I have to agree though that there is some degree of reverse discrimination at some Big 4 offices – really depends on the state. In certain California offices, it is definitely present. And it is not just relating to who gets hired, but some of the programs and who can apply for them within the firm already…Like who is eligible to apply for a master degree program sponsored by the firm… I am white and I was told that it is specifically designed for minorities (it actually is stated officially within the description of the program)… So, I missed out of a free-to-me $70K degree for being white… It sucks because such exact things booster discrimination already. Just an FYI: I am NOT racist ;-)) I am all-color-and-religion loving person. Just stating the fact that I have personally observed while working in Big 4.
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REG - 88May 28, 2014 at 12:29 am #558749Anonymous
InactiveHey guys,
Thanks a lot for all your responses. I really appreciate your advice. I think that maybe humility is an issue, but to be quite honest, I don't talk to the interviewers in a stand-offish way. Truth is, I do find it tough to find the proper balance between sounding confident but not too confident, but then again, not sounding too timid.
One of you mentioned that my resume should ideally match my personality. If my resume indicates that I have great academic achievement, should I not be enthusiastic about it when talking to the partners? I try not to be, and I don't think I am. In fact, I love when the conversation steers to other topics as well (non-accounting related). I would like some advice on what approach to take if I do have an impressive resume.
Just to be clear, I am not socially awkward…
May 28, 2014 at 12:38 am #558750wannabeCaliCPA
Memberconfused 😉 do not take things said here personally: none of the people here know you personally. and yes, some of the comments are just straight up rude here! There is nothing wrong with being confident and proud of your achievements (hey, i am too very proud of mine!). My advice would be: just say things as you really feel about them. I know – i know, it sounds stupid! but it always worked for me (I have worked for some very “important” companies 😉 including one of the Big 4 in different huge office of the firm around the globe – not bragging, just giving an example that i had some tough interviewers that I had to get through). If you are applying for a position, it means you did your due diligence on what/where/when/why, and you picked them. So, just tell them why you picked them and why you see them fit for you. Hey, I once told the interviewer that I just really loved their office building so I started researching about their company (they gave me an offer, but I rejected). So, do not try to bullshit too much cause our personalities kinda do shine through anyway. At the end of the day, you also want to find a company that would fit your personality. geez, i am sounding old and boring – i am only 27 🙂 but this is the only thing that really works for me
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