Big 4 Internship or Full-Time?

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  • #171676
    ryan28
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    My resume got forwarded to a partner in a Big 4 office in Baltimore (friend of a friend of a friend of my dad) and I received a voicemail from a recruiter there wanting to touch base. I’ve had my B.S. in Accounting since August 2011 and have been doing an MBA in Finance (5-year dual-degree MBA/BS program) ever since. I also have been studying for the CPA since I got the 150 credits, and have passed BEC (studying for AUD now). I have an expected graduation of December 2012.

    I have NO public accounting experience whatsoever. The only accounting experience I have is through my current internship that I started a month ago. I basically audit financial statements and fixed assets for a county public school system. I’d prefer audit over tax.

    So my question is, given my extremely limited experience and background, should I go for a winter internship or a full-time job? I’d like to go for the one that gives me the best chance of actually getting hired.

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  • #347963
    Anonymous
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    From my experience, I've never known anyone who did an internship with a big four firm that didn't get an offer. That's not to say it has never happened, but for the most part those firms won't bring you on with as an intern without the intent of hiring you full time. Of course if you do a terrible job they probably won't offer you, but as long as you show up with a smile on your face and do your best, you'll most likely get an offer.

    I would say go for an internship. Remember, an internship is a chance for you to try them out as well. Maybe you'll love it, and maybe you'll decide that you don't like the firm and/or the work. It's all about options, and I think the internship gives you the most.

    Good luck, let us know what you end up deciding on!

    #347964
    Mayo
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    Over 90% of the interns take fulltime offers. The number who are offered offers is probably a lot higher. Take the internship.

    Mayo, BBA, Macc

    #347965

    OP, here's a link you'll be interested to read:

    https://accounting.mccoy.txstate.edu/resources/internship-guide/contentParagraph/0/document/Internship+Brochure.pdf

    That'll give you some numbers. The Big 4 bounced around 90% interns being offered F-T, apparently with the exception of Deloitte according to the above document. But even then I know the Dallas Deloitte office claims they offer 90%. Most entry level openings are filled by interns, so therefore strive to get an internship. I do know some from my university that are getting into different PwC offices full-time (straight in, no internship), I assume because there are more openings due to the economy thawing out.

    Also note that KPMG has the highest percentage of interns who convert into full-time entry level hires. I interpret that as KPMG has the highest percentage of interns who enjoyed the internship enough to want to work there afterwards. GO KPMG!

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    #347966
    ryan28
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    Thanks guys, appreciate the replies. I'm definitely leaning towards going for a winter internship just because I highly doubt they would hire me full-time with my very little experience. Also because I expected, as I Just Love This said, the only real opportunity at working there full-time is becoming an intern there first

    #347967
    mgoloubenko
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    I would also see what the person says when you speak to them because perhaps they will speak to you about full-time. Kinda see where it goes.

    In regards to the other posters, I actually have heard of people doing an internship and not getting a full-time offer! This actually happened with an acquaintance of mine who I thought had a really poor attitude, bad character when he got an internship with the same firm I'll be working for. I later found out he was not extended an offer!

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    They say good things come to those who wait, but only those things that are left by those who hustle.

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    jeff
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    Welcome back, mgoloubenko 🙂

    #347969

    I do know of 2 individuals that didn't receive offers: 1 had a personality issue with working with others, and the other sent a weird email to a partner.

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    #347970

    Another plus of doing the internship first: You get to rake in the OT pay that you won't get as a full time employee. 🙂

    #347971
    ryan28
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    Well after the recruiter calling and emailing me for a week to get in touch it led to a phone conversation of him telling me to apply online for fall recruiting……………………..anticlimactic

    #347972
    mrcpa
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    Just my opinion, you should go for both. It will not hurt you to apply for both since usually internships are more difficult to get than full time offers (less opportunities). A good portion of the kids I started did not intern …good luck!

    Licensed - 2012

    #347973
    VeniVidi…
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    From my experience internships are actually harder to get than full-time positions. The reason being is that the Big 4 recruit early and fill most of their needs through their internship programs. The talent pool for full-time positions dwindle and if these firms have a need, you're competing against less qualified candidates as the top candidates have already been locked up and accepted offers. If you're purely interested in what gives you the best shot at getting a job, it would be seeking out open full-time positions. If you come across open positions, that means that the Big 4 are making a conscious effort to hire more associates knowing that the talent pool has been watered down. Thus, it will be much easier for you to stand out.

    Consider this, interns are treated like princes and princesses, they get paid $25+/hour plus overtime (which during busy season/winter will definitely add up) and various events and trips throughout your internship. The Big 4 spend a lot of money up front trying to guise the fact that actually working there isn't an absolute soul crushing experience. Additionally, your internship experience will count towards your 1-year/2-year experience requirement for the CPA, so as veil begins to be lifted on the Big 4 experience you will be a few months closer to being armed with your license. It's a really great position to have, and definitely the best move if you're still in college. Additionally, you'll almost be guaranteed a position at the end of the program (unless you go to EY and crush their ‘PG' hearts by drinking during their coveted Disney World trip, or prove to everyone you're uptight). But as I mentioned, it might be more difficult to get that position.

    With that said, if you're graduating you want to go directly into working as soon as you can. Many people who have graduated choose to go into an internship program for the winter and accept a position 6 months later, studying for/taking the CPA in between (as studying for the CPA during work is difficult). But as you're going to potentially be done with the CPA by the time you graduate, it's more advisable in my opinion to start full-time as soon as possible. The quicker you start, the sooner the start date on your resume, which is very important. Additionally, coming in as a new associate during the winter will save you 6 months, as all new associates are “promoted” to experienced after 1 busy season. In essence, instead of being up for a Senior Associate promotion after 2-3 years (depending on which Big 4 you go to), you will be up for promotion in 1.5-2.5 years (and in your case, instead of being up for promotion in 2015/2016 if you go the internship route, you'll be up for promotion in 2014/2015). This may not seem important to you now, but trust me it is. The quicker you can shed the Experienced Associate title, the sooner you will start being treated like a human being and no longer having to do grunt work. Additionally, you will have a lot more options if you want to leave the Big 4.

    My advice is to pursue both or even talk to the recruiters about your situation and they will probably advise you to pursue a full-time position. Don't worry about your experience when applying for these public audit positions. It is assumed you know nothing and that will not hurt your prospects of getting hired.

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    #347974
    ryan28
    Member

    Thanks for the replies guys…I realize that it would be ideal to get a full-time position without taking the time, but I also seriously doubt my ability to attain a full-time position with my limited experience of interning at a school system reviewing their financial statements. And if it adds anything, the Big 4 doesn't recruit at my school at all, only a few small firms and a couple mid-sized ones. Definitely regret going to the same school for masters as I did for undergrad.

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